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Originally posted by ketchup ketchup wrote:

......Heck, I don't like the taste of dried fruit but it doesnt mean I think they should be banned from all cake products... except musli because its a pain having to pick them out lol

What shall anyone understand what this "musli" is, if picking on "musli m" not being done, here?

If anyone have trouble to pick a "musli" for a date or something like that purpose, I can understand that; but its beyond imagination, epecially if its coming from people like you, ketchup.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2006 at 9:09am

Well that WAS incredible...

I have to say I dont know who I think is being dense here? I really dont think Ketchup spotted that musli is simerlar to muslim... he was just mentioning a breakfast cereal that contained dried fruit!!!!!

So AhmedJoyia, you are INCREDibly touchy, for even spotting that IMHO...

Unless its true!!! That Ketchup REALLY did intend that pun/similie/whatever... inwhich case he really is a fascist asshole and I am INCREDIBLY naive and foolish for not noticing...!!!

Which ever it is, I learned that Musli is very simerlar to Muslim as a word... and that its very easy to have a misunderstanding!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wrangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2006 at 10:18am

Mark (wellcome to the forum and the thread), AhmadJoyia and Ketchup are discussing something. I don't know what. What AhmadJoyia says makes perfect sense to me as a Swede living in Denmark.

Well, I still remain confident that the persons who projected the issue outside the geographical boundaries of that country, did this without any hostile intent, or any wish to cause harm. They found no support in Denmark, so where should they turn to?

Only possible problem it tok me several readings of AhmadJoyia's post, to finally understand what he is saying.

I leave it to AhmadJoyia to clarify further. I would be very interested to listen. Also on the subject on containment. Critisism saying we (or Danish goverment) has not done enough, with ideas what we can do, are always wellcome.



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Oh, Just noticed.

http://www.vennebillede.dk

Is back up with their proper content.

Its in Danish. Click "see Billeder" to see pictures. "See Billeder" means view pictures.

Nothing terribly exciting, if it was not for some hackers who could not tolerate this content.

Btw, A Danish swimming club also got hacked and had their content replaced by similar content as above, a week or so ago. I bet they where surprised. They where amuzed enough to report the matter to the police.

Let me also take this opportunity to condem an Italian minister wearing tea-skirt with one of the drawings. As such he represent un-democratic forces, that we do not tolerate.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wrangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2006 at 12:01pm

Ketchup's post I find to be positive contribution. It's perfectly ok if he uses the Union Jack as avatar. If I had any knowledge on how to use avatars I would happily use one that combines the Swedish and and Danish flags.

National flags don't belong to rasist groups. Not even to nationalistic groups. They represent the entire people. Nobody should have to feel intimidated by use of national flags.



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One last thing. It's a bit confusing.

Reports in Denmark read early today says that Jyllandsposten posted an ad in several Saudi newspapers with an appology. Information in Danish media says Jyllandsposten denies having anything to do with this. Latest reports I have says Danish industry posted this ad. 

Reports in Swedish media now says Jyllandsposten posted the ads. So there is bound to be confusion on this. If Swedish media is confused, others are bound to be confused.

In either case. To the best of my understanding, what the ad says, is very much in correspondence with what Jyllandsposten has been saying.

So far, in Danish media, Jyllandsposten has said they did not put the ad in the papers. Jyllandsposten has not commented on its contents. So if they agree with the content or not, I cannot say.

I will keep you informed what Danish media, and Jyllandsposten has to say on this.

Edit add: Ok the lastest and final I presume. The add was not payed by Jyllandsposten. It was paid by Danish industri. It was added without the knowledge and concent of Jyllandsposten.

However, the wording was taken from Jyllandsposten's web page where they regret the consequences of the drawings.

 

 



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Hello Wrangel,

 

Perhaps this is a spin-off discussion, or topic, but it probably wouldn�t get enough attention to warrant that.  I am just curious, while in the process of superficially studying this issue myself and as a non-Muslim American who holds the First Amendment to the Constitution inordinately dear, and given your proximity to Germany, if you might comment.

 

I perhaps incorrectly understand that there are, in Germany at least, Volksverhetzung (which translates as �incitement of the masses�) laws.  I do, of course, realize that Switzerland and Denmark are autonomous states, independent of each other and from Germany, but, saving myself a too in depth Google search, I am wondering if these laws, or a type of them at any rate, are at all applicable in either Switzerland or Denmark?  If so, I further question if the very act of a newspaper�s soliciting caricatures, or cartoons, of Muhammad, including those which are especially vile and are said to have depicted him in morally repugnant acts (and which were circulated but not published, according the the UK's Independent), does not of itself constitute an act which, by definition, �incites the masses� -with the masses in this case obviously being Muslims?

 

I don�t expect you to be an expert on German law, but I am interested if, during your many discussions and inquiries, you have considered this issue with your colleagues and counterparts especially those of them within the EU?  (I am primarily limited to speaking English.)

  

Thank you and best regards,

 

Servetus



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Originally posted by Wrangel Wrangel wrote:

Ketchup's post I find to be positive contribution. It's perfectly ok if he uses the Union Jack as avatar. If I had any knowledge on how to use avatars I would happily use one that combines the Swedish and and Danish flags.

National flags don't belong to rasist groups. Not even to nationalistic groups. They represent the entire people. Nobody should have to feel intimidated by use of national flags.

Absolutely, I would normally whole-heartedly agree with you. However... I am sorry to report that (simerlar to your account of the Swedish flag) The Union Jack HAS in England been taken up as a FAR RIGHT and even Nazi symbol. I myself would be the first to say lets reclaim it (I display it proudly on Norways national day 17th of May) but in the context of this forum and this subject, my query was whether it was a British Flag he was displaying or a reactionary Rascist flag he was displaying.

His reply to this suspicion was

Originally posted by Ketchup Ketchup wrote:

Fair point and duely noted. 

That means ... I was right.

But.. not the right place for this point.

My question still stands from my first post, to the Muslims here, are you really offended by these pictures? Or are you offended by the blasphemic action? I really would NOT want to offend ANYONE!! (I critisised Ketchup for publicising the links to them didnt I?) BUt really... honestly... did you look at them and cry "How can someone say this about our prophet??" in serious dismay, if so, then I am very sorry for you. In my church, the Vicar/priest starts every sermon with a Joke, a satirical amusing JOKE! We all laugh, and then sit back to listen to his point.



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