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Originally posted by artscholbe artscholbe wrote:

It appears to me that saying that Islam is a religion of Peace is similar to saying that a Lion will not attack if he is not hungry. The many countries of the Middle east which were Christian and Jewish to begin with, became Islamic by reason of warfare. When the Muslim horde was victorious, the inhabitants were given three choices i.e. Die, become Muslims, or admit to inferiority and pay the monthly tax. Many accepted Islam in order to save their lives, and Muhammed foungt some terrible battles, and massacred many members of these tribes when they tried to change back. Also, paying the tax did not work well either. There are NO Christians left in Arabia, and in the other couhtries where Sharia'h is in place, thier lives are one of misery, their daughters are targets as concubines and slaves, and they have NO legal recourse. Who is trying to fool whom, here?


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I visited your website, and have diagnosed you with Acute-Islamophobia; this disease causes hatred and melts down logical sector of the brain.

Cancelling your membership to Nazi-anti-Islamic club will help, with that I will highly recommend reading translation of Koran.

Also take 2-3 doses of Islamicity in evening

(P.S take down the Hitler's poster that you have on the wall)



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Incidentally, for my Muslim friends who just love to pick my Bible apart,
Matthew 5:22 is an excellent example of how the Bible has been edited. The
King James verson adds the text "without a just cause", a phrase not in the
original scripture and one reason so many churches reject the King James
version.

I guess the clerics on King Jimmy's payroll were afraid of the King's anger -
justified or not!
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Sigh* Obviously  the individual who had posted adverse remarks is obviously notcoming to the discussion with some positive imput so I need not to address him/her. Brother David great post brother. The one thing we should look at (which is the one thing that matters most) is the Oneness of God and his love of creation...
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Incidentally, for my Muslim friends who just love to pick my Bible apart,
Matthew 5:22 is an excellent example of how the Bible has been edited. The
King James verson adds the text "without a just cause", a phrase not in the
original scripture and one reason so many churches reject the King James
version.

I guess the clerics on King Jimmy's payroll were afraid of the King's anger -
justified or not!

david - can you point out exactly where artscholbe called someone foolish?  i am finding it very hard to pinpoint a reason for the mini-sermon you delivered for his benefit.  of course i may have missed something totally obvious

as for your gratuitous remarks (quoted above) they are an even bigger mystery.  let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the translators of the authorised version made a mistake (easily done, after all), for you then to go on and accuse them of "editing" (a deliberate act) because james was paying them to do so, is an absolute disgrace.  interesting that you have offered nothing to substantiate this slander.  but that wont stop your friends lapping it up
for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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israfil - what do you mean by the oneness of God, and what do you mean by his love of creation, do you mean his love of the act of creation, or his love of what he created?  or both?
for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Incidentally, for my Muslim friends who just love to pick my Bible apart,
Matthew 5:22 is an excellent example of how the Bible has been edited. The
King James verson adds the text "without a just cause", a phrase not in the
original scripture and one reason so many churches reject the King James
version.

I guess the clerics on King Jimmy's payroll were afraid of the King's anger -
justified or not!

My dear bro DavidC, once in a life time, I did try to find my faith outside the influence of Islam. During that time, and still now, I came across reading the Bible, as being the book of largest religious community on earth. It was exactly this fear among others, a factor of so much uncertainity in the contents of the book, that I couldn't stand on it for a long. How can I observe certain commandments of the book, which may sometimes later, found to be spurious. This was making me skeptic rather than an honest believer in God. Since then I am happy that I am a Muslim, embracing not only Islam but the faith of Moses as well as Jesus. Quran provides me the strength in my conviction of being on the right path. The conviction, not only through faith but through human intellect as well.
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Hi Freddi

You are right; I was a bit off in my comments. I was up late working on a
lesson plan on the beatitudes last night, and fatigue seems to have led to
project a bit of my personal issues into Art's post. I apologize to Art if I
misread his post, and I thank you Freddi for bringing this to my attention.

The issue of Biblical discrepancies is one that comes up frequently.
Search the forums for "error" and you will see what I mean. As very few
Muslims read the Bible, I do try to post anything relevant on whatever
topic. I do not selectively pick out only things I like or that agree with my
personal views or faith.

The BIble Gateway has the KJV, NKJV and 21KJV all have the additional
clause. I doubt it was a mistake because the clause was added. Perhaps
the Greek originals vary. I really don't know why it differs, but it does and
dramatically alters the meaning.
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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

israfil - what do you mean by the oneness of God, and what do you mean by his love of creation, do you mean his love of the act of creation, or his love of what he created?  or both?

Fred....

There is Only One God as there is only One sun that we orbit around as there is only one planet earth in our Solar System..As Jesus said God is ONE. Simple math brother, there is simply One artisan that is the Creator of everything we see and hear. I will not bring trinity to this issue because trinity in what my statements here does not apply as I am mainly saying that as Jesus said and as Muhammad said God is ONE. what I meant for his love for creation I mean FOR not of....As GOD love his creation, all of it. Whether it is humans or animal. We can see this type of love from our autonomous nervous system that all animals share.

When we are not thinking our heart beats. We do not contro, it but it controls itself. It beats because its functions are to pump blood to circulate through our body. the fact that we are designed to be alive and functional is love in itself. This type of love cannot be shared by a mother or father. This is what I mean....
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