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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:27pm

akmf - youre not getting this.  i did not quote, either in or out of context.  i gave what an islamic scholar said about it.  did you read what he said?

also you lengthy post on the other thread is irrlevant.  the texts all come from the old testament and hence do not apply.  christianity is the new testament, where there is no commandment or authority for christians to kill for any reason

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

akmf - youre not getting this.� i did not quote, either in or out of context.� i gave what an islamic scholar said about it.� did you read what he said?


also you lengthy post on the other thread is irrlevant.� the texts all come from the old testament and hence do not apply.� christianity is the new testament, where there is no commandment or authority for christians to kill for any reason




there are different scholars, you can agree or disagree with them.

10 commandments are from OT too, also do they not apply?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:33pm

akmf - im a part-time postman in glasgow and im on holiday this week, with no money to go anywhere warm and sunny.  so ive plenty of time right now to spend in discussion forums.  any objections?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 7:11am

Melco, you falsely accused me of being hypocrite while I am only trying my best to do the job of moderator by enforcing guidelines. Let me tell you that rules are for everyone, including me. And I hope that everyone will soon understand it.

But, the main reason why I am deleting your post here is that you posted stuff out of context about apostasy in Islam in spite of repeated explanations by many posters in this thread. It appears to me that you are only interested in spreading lies, and not interested in learning. Comply with guidelines. It is another warning!----Peacemaker

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 12:21pm
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For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


what does it means ffloader?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

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For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


what does it means ffloader?

oh dear akmf, off-topic, im afraid, (naughty, naughty) - if you wish to discuss christian matters, then feel free to start up another thread.  this thread is definitely about islam.  i mean i dont understand your signature either, the thing with the penguin

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 1:52pm
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i mean i dont understand your signature either, the thing with the penguin


The penguin is from linux.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 2:35pm

�the texts all come from the old testament and hence do not apply.�

 

Once again, at the risk of belaboring the point, it seems worth noting that, according to Orthodox Judaism, for example, the so-called (by Christians) �Old� Testament scriptures are absolutely relevant and, despite all claims to the contrary, have never been either superseded or abrogated.  To Judaism, the so-called �New� Testaments writings are not acknowledged as scripture or as in any manner inspired.  Hence, the texts from the Old Testament, at least in certain quarters, do absolutely apply. 

 

Small wonder, then, that the Vatican, for example, seems so hopeful that the secular laws of the State of Israel will be not overturned and the Torah of Moses return as the predominant law of the land in Israel.  Otherwise, the �friends of Israel,� especially those of the Christian Fundamentalist variety (such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and John Hagee) might sing another tune, or, at the very least, get a different view (like a stoning of St. Stephen) from their religious tour busses as they ferry through Israel.  Consider what might happen in such an event, if Orthodox Jewish Fundamentalists (like their Muslim counterparts in Afghanistan and elsewhere) were to gain absolute power:

 

�� All forms of �idolatry or idol-worship,� but especially Christian ones (for traditionally Muslims, who are not considered to be idolaters, are held in less contempt than Christians), would be �obliterated,� in the words of Shas party leader Rabbi Ovadia Yossef. According to conditions laid down by Maimonides, whose Halacha rulings are holy writ to the fundamentalists, those Gentiles, or so-called �Sons of Noah,� permitted to remain in the Kingdom could only do so as �resident aliens,� obliged under law to accept the �inferiority� in perpetuity which that status entails, to �suffer the humiliation of servitude,� and to be �kept down and not raise their heads to the Jews.� At weekday prayers, the faithful would intone the special curse: �And may the apostates have no hope, and all the Christians perish instantly.� One wonders what the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons think of all this; for it is strange, this new adoration by America�s evangelicals of an Israel whose Jewish fundamentalists continue to harbor a doctrinal contempt for Christianity only rivaled by the contempt which the Christian fundamentalists reserve for the Jews themselves ...�

 

My point, again, is simply to address the Christian claim, or some might say presumption, that the texts from the �Old� Testament no longer apply.  To some, they most certainly do.

 

Serv

 

Ref:  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040216/hirst

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