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josh87
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Salam, I have read many questions in regard to how aisha was 9 yrs old when she married the prophet. Although i have known this most of my conscious life as a muslim, i have not questioned it, though it had cast me great doubt. After all, i am born in Mecca, and ask scholars many questions relating to religious and moral matters. However, the issue of Aisha intrigues me... It is alright in Arab culture i understand to marry someone as soon as she starts her period in those days, as such is the occasion she may be seen/perceived as a woman. Also, The prophet was a perfect human being and a representative of a true muslim on earth, i.e. sinless. Now my question: There are customs and cultures in the world which are wrong on ethical or moral grounds. You gave an example of the african woman walking with naked breasts as such is normal though immoral under our religion, but such does not cause harm and is not ethically wrong if it does not cause or aggravate lust to such an immoral extent. It was Spartan culture to leave weak babies to die, it is Hindu culture/religion to worship cows and have a caste system, and it was culture then to have slaves. All wrong as you will agree brother. Now, the prophet was perfect, so having sex with a 9 yr old, following custom, must also be perceived as no excuse. Why? She is nine, not mentally or physically mature for such an action. Moreover, her soul cannot be entwined with someone else's who is 52 as she is not mentally mature. Right and wrong does not change, even in todays society marrying someone or having sex with someone who is mentally immature is wrong, and a sin. The prophet didn't have to follow custom which is wrong under my line of argument. Moreover, King Solomon or David where not seen to be perfect human beings as Muhammad (pbuh) was, so them having 100 or 1000 wives does not correspond with the fact Muhammad only followed custom. The custom of having sex with a child is wrong, the culture wrong. I await your answer brothers and sisters |
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Neither of these statements acknowledge my questions under my line of argument. You give a couple of reasons as to why he should have married her, but to have sexual intercourse with her as being right, none at all. Plz answer my question directly.
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Suleyman
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Please read the message then you will have the answers;sometimes reading is not reading,reading is not seeing;it needs more to do...if i have missed one of your points then i believe that some of the members will fill the space...i see that there are good concepts passing in my copy giving answers to your statements,i believe.Wa Salam... |
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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
>>> Why? She is nine, not mentally or physically mature for such an action. Moreover, her soul cannot be entwined with someone else's who is 52 as she is not mentally mature. Right and wrong does not change, even in todays society marrying someone or having sex with someone who is mentally immature is wrong, and a sin. The
prophet didn't have to follow custom which is wrong under my line of
argument. Moreover, King Solomon or David where not seen to be perfect
human beings as Muhammad (pbuh) was, so them having 100 or 1000 wives
does not correspond with the fact Muhammad only followed custom. The
custom of having sex with a child is wrong, the culture wrong. I await
your answer brothers and sisters<<<
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seriously doubt you are a muslim as no muslim would make the mistake
you did above espectialy one living in saudi arabia a place where
christian teachings are few and reading the bible is more than simply
frowned upon in wahabbi culture. The only reason your post still remains is your careful wording of the question. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim, walaikum salam. If you search this forum with the keyword "ayesha" or "aisha", you will find your answers and detailed reasons to those answers. A very long post "marriage to aisha" is in the forum "Prophet Muhammad" A truthful seeker will find wisdom, in that which has been posted already. As has been stated above, questioning the conduct of the one who has been called the Best of Creation, and the wisdom of Allah is not islamic adab. To attempt to understand the wisdom and to question these are two different matters altogether. Muslims busy themselves in improving their understanding. Maa salaama.
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josh87
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seriously doubt im a muslim? rami, only God can judge me, not you. And to be honest, i dont see myself as muslim anymore as i do not belive in the perfectness of the prophet Muhammad, due to this aspect, of aisha being 9 when she had sex. I live in mecca btw, and dont have closed eyes. I study abroad, and so learn about other religions and educate myself. I dont belive Jesus was son of God, but rather am inclined to the quranic interpretation. U see, im caught ion the middle. Neither is Josh my real name, i'd ratyher not say in fear that i do live in Mecca, KSA, not the most liberal or best of countries. Though the brotherhood practiced in Mecca is beautiful, though they really ought to organise the Haram...its becoming more difficult to pray and touch the kaabah without wrestling through the crowd. Now, to the question. Imagine you are nine, and the most powerful man approaches you...consent is not really a matter to deal with. Moreover, i hate this blind faith, why can we not question? I think therefore i am, and any doubts, if false, should be said, so you or others may help me. Not judge me. I've searched and read all there is on this topic, but none answer my line of arguments. Rami, i question Muhammad. He may have said he had this dream and was commanded by Allah, but do you not see the con? I believe wholeheartedly in the Oneness of God, but cannot bring myself to say the shahada because Muhammad did this act. This act cannot be permissable under a perfect God, if you acknowledge my first post. Open your eyes...or help me open mine. Is it not only morally right to have someone married or have someone engage in sexual intercourse only if they are in the correct frame of mind to do so? Are you all telling me a 9 yr old knew what was happening, and she was, as was her soul, in a mature and capable state? If so, why? I've spoken to many scholars and imams on this question, and most unfortunately turn violent or do not answer the question. The ones that did, stick to the fact that prophet did such as was commanded by God. This is a cyclical argument, as you have to accept the prophet for his word. Words do not constitute as a reason for such a serious action. Plz answer in peace. |
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Yusuf.
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Assalamu alaikum, As Ukhti Nausheen has mentioned, this topic has recently been thoroughly discussed. The thread can be found at: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77&K W=Yusuf%2E Allah Hafiz |
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