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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

yes, atom of faith in Allah, (those who are muslims) will eventually be taken out of hellfire and admitted into paradise (if Allah wills)

Don't you think this is a bit of a worrying thought ?

And don't you think that singling out muslims is playing with favouritism and that you are not exactly tolerant of others or should I say Allah ?

You are saying here all those non muslims who believe in Allah/God will stay in hell fire despite having an atom of faith in God.

You are also saying that those who murder, etc will eventually go to paradise despite their acts because they have an atom of faith in Allah ?

Just my obversations here, and something that I cannot agree with.  

Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that if any one follows any other religion other than Islam he is among the losers.

even if any one believes in god but follows some other religion, he will remain in hell fire forever.

because Islam contains worship (ibadah) and the act of bowing and prostration to Allah The Most High and there are many other things which make muslims different from people who follow religions other than Islam.

angel, i suggest that you gain more knowledge of why Islam is the true and unique religion ( if Allah wills )
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Assalamu Alaikum:

Brother Salman: on another thread you posted that the Quran states Allah forgives who He will.

We as mere humans can never know the condition of someone's heart, their true intentions, or what they truly believe. Only Allah(SWT) knows these things about any of us. Therefore perhaps we should leave the judgement to Allah(SWT).

 

 

 



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Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

yes, atom of faith in Allah, (those who are muslims) will eventually be taken out of hellfire and admitted into paradise (if Allah wills)

Don't you think this is a bit of a worrying thought ?

And don't you think that singling out muslims is playing with favouritism and that you are not exactly tolerant of others or should I say Allah ?

You are saying here all those non muslims who believe in Allah/God will stay in hell fire despite having an atom of faith in God.

You are also saying that those who murder, etc will eventually go to paradise despite their acts because they have an atom of faith in Allah ?

Just my obversations here, and something that I cannot agree with.  

Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that if any one follows any other religion other than Islam he is among the losers.

yes the loser I am  

What has that got to do with what you said about muslims with an atom of faith will eventually be admitted to paradise from hellfire and my enquires? most especially about those who commit murder etc.   

Salman you talked about what happens to muslims as you pointed out in brackets not about non muslims.

I came with what I consider as concerning issue, those who commit crimes and is sent to hell for it as punshment but you came along saying that because they are muslims they will eventually be admitted to paradise (because they have an atom of faith in Allah?), so much for punishment I'd say. it is a worrying thought don't you think?

Quote even if any one believes in god but follows some other religion, he will remain in hell fire forever.

Yes I know, I am one of them

Quote because Islam contains worship (ibadah) and the act of bowing and prostration to Allah The Most High and there are many other things which make muslims different from people who follow religions other than Islam.

you got that right and vice versa to  That does not make islam the true and unique religion. ALL religions and beliefs have their own uniquiness.

Quote angel, i suggest that you gain more knowledge of why Islam is the true and unique religion ( if Allah wills )

I don't believe it to be so.

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Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

yes, atom of faith in Allah,�(those who are�muslims) will eventually be taken out of hellfire and admitted into paradise (if Allah wills)


does it says that they have to be muslims?????//
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21:47 We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least, and if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it (to account): and enough are We to take account.

Topics discussed in this Verse:
truetruetruetrue&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=cv&-find">[Allah:calls to account] truetruetruetrue&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=cv&-find">[Allah's attributes:Calls to account] truetruetruetrue&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=cv&-find">[Balance:on the Day of judgment] truetruetruetrue&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=cv&-find">[Day of judgment:souls will not be unjustly dealt with]
 


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Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

yes, atom of faith in Allah, (those who are muslims) will eventually be taken out of hellfire and admitted into paradise (if Allah wills)


does it says that they have to be muslims?????//

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Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that if any one follows any other religion other than Islam he is among the losers.

even if any one believes in god but follows some other religion, he will remain in hell fire forever.

because Islam contains worship (ibadah) and the act of bowing and prostration to Allah The Most High and there are many other things which make muslims different from people who follow religions other than Islam.

Allah states in the Holy Qur'an:

"The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19)

"If unyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the hell fire)."(Qur'an 3:85)

In addition, Islam is the only religion prevailing over all other religions. Allah states in the Holy Qur'an:

"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:..." (Qur'an 5:48)

angel, i suggest that you gain more knowledge of why Islam is the true and unique religion ( if Allah wills )
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Salman, **screaming** again what has that got to do with what you said about muslims with an atom of faith will eventually be admitted to paradise from hellfire.  Stop repeating yourself either you are not understanding -for which I may not be doing a good job - OR you are simply evading my inquiries because you don't want to realise something OR its that you do not know - for which you could at least say so. 

Now I will repeat and do as you just did :

Salman you talked about what happens to muslims as you pointed out in brackets not about non muslims.

I came with what I consider as concerning issue, those who commit crimes and is sent to hell for it as punshment but you came along saying that because they are muslims they will eventually be admitted to paradise (because they have an atom of faith in Allah?), so much for punishment I'd say. it is a worrying thought don't you think?

Now can I assume since you are not answering, that muslim criminals believing in Allah or at least have an atom of faith in Allah will get into paradise from a time in hell.

Now can you tell me how does a victim of a crime feel that justice is being served if they know that eventually the criminal/s are going to paradise ?

How comforting is that?

And might I remind you that you broughtt he issue up "yes, atom of faith in Allah, (those who are muslims) will eventually be taken out of hellfire and admitted into paradise (if Allah wills)"
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