Biblical Prophecies About Muhammad

" Brother, if one is taking a position of �their guesswork�, then I think, all anonymous books of Bible also come into the same category including the book �Isaiah�; current version of which is obviously not authored by the Prophet himself. So in that sense, even the very origin of this Prophesy is not more than a conjecture. But interesting thing is that my Christian brother don�t even want to talk about it."

well ahmad, one-liners like "current version of which is obviously not authored by the prophet himself" are not useful on their own as you may know, and to go into them by way of further explanation is hardly to the point of the thread.  suffice it to say that our friend jamal thinks its valid for muhammad.  i am certainly not willing to enter into discussions re the perceived "state" of the holy scriptures unless i am given free rein to do likewise with the quran, which is hardly likely in these forums, where threads are being closed down almost as fast as theyre being opened.  i regard the bible, as it stands, as the only written, and final, word of God to man

"Ah! My brother, skeptic can�t be taken as an excuse either. If you don�t want to know as how did your spiritual ancestors recognize Prophet Mohammad, other than merely questioning soundness in their decision, that is up to you, no compulsion, indeed. In that sense, can I expect any rationality from you upon my explanation about the fulfillment of this prophesy?"

so my "spiritual ancestors" are to remain anonymous?  one might have thought they would have had their small place in the islamic firmament, at the very least, given their alleged perception----aahhh - so we may now expect your commentary on isaiah 11 shortly? - i am breathless with anticipation, ahmad

 "Let us see what strongs dictionary says about this verse.

My dear, even from this translation, one thing is very obvious from the future tense �shall be glorious� that this �rest� can�t be understood as �heavens� from the divinity attached to this prophet. If �heaven� is to be understood, then the future tense used in the sentence doesn�t make sense where �heavens� as abode for God has always been glorified by all creatures. This understanding doesn�t bring anything new to the reverence for �his rest� clause attributed to the prophesied �root of Jesse�. Hence, this definition is illogical. Thus this �rest� can�t be taken as �heaven� but some physical location on this earth.

 Yes! Literally speaking, �rest� or �resting-place� can be understood as a place where someone resides for some period of time. Specifically with this prophesy, however, seems like kind of some permanent glorification of the site can only be understood from figurative understanding of this word where it means �place of burial� just like where saints are buried in tombs. Glorification of such tombs is quite natural to understand especially once its association is considered divinely inspired in such verses. The classical examples of such glorification exist in many parts of this world, though the glorification example of �resting-place� of Prophet Mohammad is quite conspicuous among them fulfilling the Prophesy, both in terms of time since he was laid in and the number of people went there, and are still going, and shall be kept going to offer salutations upon him. Hence fulfilling �his rest shall be glorious�. "

i dont know why youve started speaking about heaven here.  Christ is returning to earth in glory to set up his glorious kingdom.  the whole scene in this chapter is clearly earth, not heaven.  "glorification of such tombs is quite natural to understand" - indeed it is, but is it spiritual, is it of God? - we believe that all the glory should be given to God, to whom alone it is due, and not shared with human remains, even if they are lodged in big fancy tombs.

as you can probably gauge, ahmad, i have yet to work out how to "quote" a post in parts like you and others can do, i will work it out eventually

you have not commented on the other scriptures i have brought to bear on the subject of the Branch, mentioned in isaiah 11 - all of which point to Christs return, and subsequent conditions.  allow me to do another link-up.  compare isaiah 11: 6-9 with isaiah 65: 25 - they are virtually identical.  note the context of isaiah 65: 25.  the section starts in v.17 - "behold i create new heavens and a new earth......" - did this happen with the arrival of muhammad?

now so far we have only talked about one small point raised by jamal, perhaps its time we moved on to the many other points he raised, unless you have something very solid to bring to bear

An additional confirmation which leaves no iota of doubt is found in the Book of Isaiah (Ch. 11:1-2):

�And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge, and of the fear of the Lord.�

The profile given in this chapter is of someone who will be a prophet, a statesmen and a judge and is of the descendants of �Jesse�. Who is �Jesse�? And who met these descriptions?

Some contend that �Jesse� is a reference to David�s father. According to Encyclopedia Biblica, however, we read: �Jesse is contracted from Ishmael.

The only one who came from Ishmael�s �stem� who was a prophet, statesmen and judge was Prophet Muhammad.

You are going to have to direct me to where it says in the Encyclopedia Biblica, "Jesse is contracted from Ishamel."  This is very strange.  Could it be a misquote?

Further, Isaiah was a Jewish prophet speaking to the Jewish nation, who Jesse was for Jews has never been a big mystery.  It's David's father.

"And Obed begot Jesse, and Jesse begot David."  Ruth 4:22

bmzsp wrote: George, Don't forget that Ishmael and his descendants also begot and were begetting children. Some of them must also have begotten children by marrying girls of  Issac's seeds. It was not just that only Issac's children begot in their own line. There must have been a lot of cross-begetting by Ishmael's children as it was quite common in those days. I have read this too, ""Jesse is contracted from Ishamel." but I can't find it again. If I do, I will let you know. I believe we cannot look at Mary's genealogy and say that it is the genealogy of Jesus. As Jesus had no earthly father, he is NOT from the line of David. Period. Even if the genealogy belonged to Joseph, still Jesus is NOT from the line of David. Period.

Are you saying that Muhammad was a Jew?  Would you please provide Muhammad's family tree.  Thanks.

Let's not get into the genealogy of Jesus.  There are answers to what you posted coming from Jewish law.