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fredifreeloader
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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BMZ
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Fredi, From you: "yes bmz, that is the translation. the text starts "peace be upon..." and ends "......shall prevail in your kingdom." That English translation is not the translation of the Arabic text hanging in the fortress of Oman, Fredi. You are ed and are mixing. The text in Arabic (link provided by you earlier), has nothing in there to match with the text of translation in English (link also provided by you). I do not see Muhammad telling or talking about any prophecy and horses and men camping in there, in the Arabic text. Perhaps, you could write to your friends in Oman and ask them to submit a new translation. Edited by bmzsp |
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fredifreeloader
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bmz - you have yet to provide a translation. you have yet to address the issue of all pagans being expelled from the arabian peninsula
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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BMZ
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Not me, fredi. I think that was somebodyelse who promised you a translation. Regarding the issue of all pagans being expelled, it was also not me who was supposed to discuss the issue. However, on my part, I can assure you that there was no mass exodus of the pagans from the Arabian peninsula. They became Muslims and lived happily ever after that. Please read about Prophet's peaceful entry into Mecca, without a war or a battle ever fought. Edited by bmzsp |
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fredifreeloader
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with the greatest of respect, bmz, we are not talking about "prophets" entry into mecca, but into oman. with regard to the issue of translation, and the expulsion of pagans, well these issues are open to discussion to whomsoever is able for it. but it must be getting near your bedtime. no point in burning the midnight oil if you have other fish to fry.... |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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Patty
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I'm very late entering this topic, but I just read the following which was posted by Bismark: "Hitler, who successfully destroyed Deutschland, heartland of the Protestant Reformation, was also a Roman Catholic and backed by the RCC. " This is not correct. It has been taught as truth for a long time, but in actuality it is not so. Here is an excerpt and a link concerning the stance of the Catholic Church during Hitler's reign of terror (for those interested in reading it): " The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust." http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html Also, it is true that Hitler was a baptised Catholic and served as an altar boy, but he committed automatic excommunication because of his horrific acts during WWII. He became an atheist. May God Enlighten and Bless Us All! Patty
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herjihad
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Bismillah, Thanks for the information, Patty. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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ummziba
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Not for you, Fredi, you're hopelessly enraptured by your own (so-called) cleverness in fooling with the poor little Muslims - no offense, it's the way you come across... But for everyone else, here's a really good article on the subject of compulsion: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/347E49BD-B8A3-47A1-AF 19-5EBC405A8B9F.htm Peace, ummziba. |
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