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Patty 
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Joined: 14 September 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
 Posted: 17 May 2006 at 8:50am |
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I am a mature woman. It seems to me, after following AbRAH's childish words, that he/she is very young and immature. I feel it would be prudent to simply ignore these statements. Maybe with time and God's help, AbRAH will one day grow up. God's Peace, Patty |
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Patty
I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future. |
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AbRah2006
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Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:03am |
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George's statement:
Aren't you ashamed of yourself for not understanding English? Maybe it is not your first language and it is to be expected. I gave you a lot of tools (websites) in which to find the answers to your own questions. Why don't you use them, find the answers, and then come back with anything that is confusing you? I will try to help you out of your confusion as best that I can.
George's statement: Both Gospel writers are correct. The difficulty is answered when you realize that each Gospel writer used a different time system. John follows the Roman time system while Mark follows the Jewish time system. According to Roman time, the day ran from midnight to midnight. The Jewish 24 hour period began in the evening at 6PM and the morning of that day began at 6AM. Therefore, when Mark asserts that at the third hour Christ was crucified, this was about 9AM. John stated that Christ's trial was about the sixth hour. This would place the trial before the crucifixion and this would not negate any testimony of the Gospel writers. This fits with John's other references to time. For example, he speaks about Jesus being weary from His journey from His trip from Judea to Samaria at the "sixth hour" and asking fo r water from the woman at the well. Considering the length of his trip, his weariness, and the normal evening time when people come to the well to drink and to water their animals, this fits better with 6PM, which is "the sixth hour" of the night by Roman time reckoning. The same is true of John's reference to the tenth hour in John 1:39, which would be 10AM, a more likely time to be out preaching than 4AM. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
Hey George .....What kind of English language do you speak? I think you speak a twisted version of English......Don't you understand understand what I mean? I mean your Gospels are corrupt for making contradictory statements about 'the crucifixion of Jesus'. Therefore the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie for the contradictions are the product of the corruption of the Bible!
Christ was crucified at the third hour When (at what hour) was Jesus crucified? According to John Jesus was crucified on the day before the Passover meal : Jn.19:14-16 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We hav e no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. According to Mathew Jesus was crucified on the day after the Passover meal: Mark 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. The Gospels contradict themselves that proves that the Gospels are not the reliable books so the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie. Can you win a case by giving contradictory statements to support your case in the court? Contradictions happen when the event is a fiction! If the crucifixion of Jesus is true how come the Gospels contradict one another? If the witnesses were honest and trustworthy, why did they give contradictory statements? If the writers of the Gospels were honest and trustworthy why did they make contradictory statements? Do you still believe that the NT is the Word of God eventhough it contain so many errors and contradiction? Please remember that Allah(God) will not contradict Himself for He is the All Wise so the NT and OT are not the Word of God for they are corrupted by their keepers! Why do you George lie to support your false claim that Jesus was crucified? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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fredifreeloader
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:11am |
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oh dear abrah. what did i tell you? - one lie always leads to another. how true in your case, even. you are now saying i have not refuted you. but i have, on three points. 1. i have explained there are two greek words translated as "tree" in the new testament. you better reread what i put. 2. i utterly exposed your folly in the matter of deuteronomy 31: 25-29, which does not say the bible is corrupted. 3. i exposed your argument with regard to the "three days and nights" and gave an example from the Holy Scriptures to back up what i said but let us consider another of your lies. you said this: 13. Baptism commanded this is another lie, unfortunately. baptism is commanded for every believer. in 1 corinthians 1, paul is saying he was not sent to baptise, but he did baptise - v. 14, 16. it was not his primary mission, others did most of the baptising, with respect to pauls converts. elswhere paul writes of the necessity of baptism, especially in romans 6: 3,4 and colossians 2: 12 your statement that 1 cor1: 14, 17 means that baptism is not commanded is a lie |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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Alibaba
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:15am |
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AbRah, you really are quite thick you know. George's answer is as plain as day and you haven't really been able to comprehend it. Can you understand this: The Romans and Hebrews reckoned days and hours differently. The Gospels reflect this. For instance, for a Jew, the new day starts at sundown, while for a Roman it began at sunrise. It is the same with the calculation of time and hours. Why don't you do a little study before copying this junk off of anti-Christian websites produced by lowclass dumbies that know nothing of history or Jewish culture.
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AbRah2006
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:32am |
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George's Comment: You need to use some common sense here. Jesus mission was not completed. The Jews sought to kill him. What do you think? That Jesus should have marched up to the Jews and said, "Here I am, kill me now" when he hadn't completed his mission? You could look at this like someone who has two roads in which to choose to get to a certain destination�one that is dark and notorious for robberies and murders�and one that is well-lit and protected, a safe road. What kind of a person would choose the more dangerous road opposed to the safer one? ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- My response to George's Comment: Yeah you are right for asking this question to me: "What kind of a person would choose the more dangerous road opposed to the safer one?" If anyone believes the so-called Jesus' prediction in Matt 26:2, then Jesus must have known of his upcoming crucifixion. As we all know that Christians claim that Jesus is God. If Jesus equals a god, then he could not have sacrificed his life, simply because an infinite god cannot die. If Jesus died as just a man, then he committed what we would today call suicide. Yeah Jesus had avoided the dangerous crucifixion when Allah the All Mighty and All Merciful God saved him by bringing him unto Him! |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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George
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:33am |
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Response: Look at what Jesus said in context:
8 �Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray:Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. What Jesus is pointing out is that many people pray in the open "to be seen by men" so that men will praise them. This is the wrong approach. It is like saying, "Look at me I am so pious." Their reward is that they were seen by men nothing more. God does not reward hypocrisy, but he does punish it. Prayer is supposed to be worship rendered to God, never displays of self-righteousness to gain the admiration of others. I sure Muslims would agree with this. There was nothing wrong with the praying you cited in the OT. Do Muslims pray as Jesus taught? "Our Father in heaven�" Peace. |
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AbRah2006
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:36am |
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George's Answer: The tree is the cross. The Romans made their crosses from trees. George's statement: Crosses were made out of trees, AbRah2006. The crosses were made out of wood. Wood comes from trees. Get it?
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ My answer for George: I quote your own word ' The tree is the cross. The Romans made their crosses from trees. '.....How can you claim that the tree is the cross when the cross is made of wood?
Oh you mean that a burger is a cow for the burger is made out of beef. And beef comes from cow. Why don't you call a cow a burger whenever you meet it? Funny , isn't it?
Oh you mean that a pencil is a tree for for the pencil is made of wood and wood comes from trees....How clever are you to say that the cross is the tree ...and the pencil is a tree too so the cross is a pencil according to your logic? lol.......Your joke is entertaining me hahahaahah!...Can you put a tree in your pocket?
What about the iron crosses? Are they the trees too? We can call an apple tree!...Can we call a cross a tree? Can you call milk a cow for the milk comes from a cow? YOU CAN'T ! |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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George
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:37am |
Yes, Patty, we must pray for him. If he is as young as he sounds then he may have time to grow in his knowledge. Notice I said "may." I said that because we never now when the end will come; some of us may have time and other won't. Blessings, George |
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