The Crucifixion of Jesus |
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George
Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 406 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:17am | |||
Rah, You should be ashamed of yourself. You made allegations and you got the answers. Nobody can help it if you don't understand what you are reading. I would bet money that you haven't read the Bible; in fact, I would bet money that you are copying and pasting from Osama Abdullah's website. If so, then no wonder you are so confused. He is absolutely the worst person you should be reading.
You have attacked me personally. I do not lie nor do I cheat nor do I twist. Please do not do that. I am happy to see that you admit that I and the rest of the Christians are winning the debate. It takes a big man to admit that.
God loves me. I am in God's hands and he will never let me go. I am a child of God and I am his own and he loves me so much that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. I think God would be proud of my behavior as it is He would helps me answer your allegations against his Holy Bible. Peace |
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fredifreeloader
Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:28am | |||
Can you plant a cross so that it will grow up like a tree? Can the cross produce flowers and bear fruits etc? Does the cross has leaves, branches, shoots? Can the cross perform the phtosynthesis? Can the cross perform respiration and oxidation? Can a cross absorb carbon dioxide (a greenhouse gas), and in turn, replenish the atmosphere with oxygen for us to breathe. can you read? then i suggest you read what i wrote Edited by fredifreeloader |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:37am | |||
George's statement:
(2)Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave Matt 12:40 Answer: Matt 12:40, For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Mark 15: 25 Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him. Mark 15: 42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time. 45 So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Then he bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. Mark 16: 9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. You are going to have to explain your problem here because I don't understand what you are trying to say.
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ My answer: I am trying to say that the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie because the writers of the Gospel of Mark and Matthew contradict one another: (1) Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave Matt 12:40 If the writers and the so-called witnesses of the crucifixion really witnessed the so-called the crucifixion of Jesus, why did they make the contradictory statements? It seems to me that the crucifixion of Jesus did not happen due to the contradiction! If they really witnessed the crucifixion they should write the same thing! Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Patty
Senior Member Joined: 14 September 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:48am | |||
Here are some articles from more ancient sources. (I have a great interest in them, because they were written so close to the time of Jesus.) This is what a few of them say regarding the Crucifixion: Josephus, Jewish historian (AD 37-100) wrote of Jesus: "About this time appeared Jesus, a wise man (if indeed it is right to call Him man; for He was a worker of astonishing deeds, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with joy), and He drew to Himself many Jews (many also of Greeks. This was the Christ.) And when Pilate, at the denunciation of those that are foremost among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those who had first loved Him did not abandon Him (for He appeared to them alive again on the third day, the holy prophets having foretold this and countless other marvels about Him.) The tribe of Christians named after Him did not cease to this day." (Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 �63 ) The Jewish Talmud (Centuries of Jewish oral tradition committed to ** Before anyone says anything about "hanged", I have already researched it, and by "hanged" they meant literally "hanged on the cross" -- Patty Thallus, a Samaritan-born historian, wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his own time 52 AD. His writings are only found as citations by others. Thallus was quoted by Julius Africanus who wrote about AD 221 mentioned Thallus' account of an eclipse of the sun: On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. The oddity is that Jesus' crucifixion occurred at the Passover which was a full moon. It is not possible for a solar eclipse to occur at a full moon. So, the event had to be a supernatural event. Lucian of Samosta, Greek satirist, second century AD, alludes to Christ: Lucian also reported that the Christians had 'sacred writings' which were frequently read. When something affected them, "they spare no trouble, no expense." Tacitus, a Roman historian, in his Annals, c. AD 115, describes the Roman Emperor Nero's actions after the great fire of Rome, c. AD 64: � Mischievous Superstition�. The conclusion here is, imo, that historians and others that were not Christians, acknowledge the death and/or crucifixion of Jesus. Most Jews even to this day don't doubt that Jesus died on a cross. They just don't recognize Him as the Messiah and that He rose from the dead. God's Peace, Patty
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Patty
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Patty
Senior Member Joined: 14 September 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:02pm | |||
Was Jesus hung on a tree? The New Testament uses the word tree five times to refer to Christ's crucifixion on a cross. The references are found in Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Galatians 3:13 and 1 Peter 2:24. Most of the time, the noun stauros (stake) and the verb stauroo (crucify) are used in connection with Jesus Christ's death. These two words appear 74 times in the New Testament. One of the five appearances of tree occurs in the book of Galatians. "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us," wrote Paul, "for it is written: `Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree"' (Galatians 3:13). In this case, Paul was quoting a phrase found in Deuteronomy 21:23. Paul was referring to the Torah's prescribed form of execution by stoning for certain offenses, such as blasphemy and idolatry. After being stoned to death, the person's body was hung on a tree to show the individual was under God's curse. To the Jews, hanging on a tree had become a metaphor for an apostate, a blasphemer or a person deemed under God's curse. That's exactly how the Jews viewed Jesus (John 5:18; 10:33; Matthew 26:63-65). Their attitude would explain why Peter and Paul, on occasion, used the Greek word for "tree" (xylon) to describe Jesus' execution, even though he was crucified on a cross. Three times in the book of Acts the word tree is used to refer to Jesus' crucifixion. In these cases, it appears in a Jewish context as well. Also, from biology online: Definition of xylon -- A genus of prickly shrubs or small trees It was quite common for the cross, during the time of Jesus, to be referred to as the "tree". God's peace, Patty |
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Patty
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Patty
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:04pm | |||
George said: "I think God would be proud of my behavior as it is He would helps me answer your allegations against his Holy Bible." I second that, George. You are a gentleman and a wonderful example of a true Christian. Peace be with you, George. Patty Edited by Patty |
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Patty
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:12pm | |||
George's statements: Rah, You should be ashamed of yourself. You made allegations and you got the answers. Nobody can help it if you don't understand what you are reading. I would bet money that you haven't read the Bible; in fact, I would bet money that you are copying and pasting from Osama Abdullah's website. If so, then no wonder you are so confused. He is absolutely the worst person you should be reading.
You have attacked me personally. I do not lie nor do I cheat nor do I twist. Please do not do that. I am happy to see that you admit that I and the rest of the Christians are winning the debate. It takes a big man to admit that.
God loves me. I am in God's hands and he will never let me go. I am a child of God and I am his own and he loves me so much that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. I think God would be proud of my behavior as it is He would helps me answer your allegations against his Holy Bible.
___________________________________________________________ My answer to refute George's lies: (1)I am NOT ashamed of myself for exposing the contradictions of the Bible.....In fact I will to expose more errors and contradictions of the Bible to see how you cheat, lie and twist to condone the corruption of the OT and NT (2) You are so wicked for slandering Osama Abdullah who have exposed the corruption of the Bible and how you Christians corrupt your own Bible into a lie! Ossama Abdullah have so many proofs to prove that you George are a liar! Please visit www.answering-christianity and see yourselves how the preachers like George corrupt the Bible into a lie. (3) You have slandered me by accusing me of copying Ossama's points so you are the liar! I do my own research and I have the OT and NT as my reference! (4) You are not sure of what you are saying to me when you use the word 'IF'....There is no IF, if you are sure of your statement...Let me quote your own words: "I would bet money that you haven't read the Bible; in fact, I would bet money that you are copying and pasting from Osama Abdullah's website. If so, then no wonder you are so confused." (5) I did not say that you won the debate so you are a liar! I said that you were lying, cheating, and twisting so that you could win the debate! I never said that you won the debate! You will never win the debate by lying, cheating and twisting everything according to your own liking! You are beaten by your own lies! (6) You are so immoral and corrupt for slandering Jesus, God and david by saying that Jesus is the only begotten son of God when the Bible says that David is the begotten son of God ! God is recorded as saying to Prophet David, in Psalms 2:7, �I will tell the decree of the Lord: He said to me, �You are my son, today I have begotten you.� � Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:37pm | |||
Patty's statement:
Was Jesus hung on a tree? The New Testament uses the word tree five times to refer to Christ's crucifixion on a cross. The references are found in Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Galatians 3:13 and 1 Peter 2:24. Most of the time, the noun stauros (stake) and the verb stauroo (crucify) are used in connection with Jesus Christ's death. These two words appear 74 times in the New Testament. One of the five appearances of tree occurs in the book of Galatians. "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us," wrote Paul, "for it is written: `Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree"' (Galatians 3:13)
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ My answer: Why did the writers of NT used the word tree five times to refer to Christ's crucifixion on a cross? Why did the writers contradict one another by saying 'the Cross' and 'the Tree'? If they and their witnesses had really witnessed the so-called crucifixion of Jesus , they should made the same statement! They made contradictions! The contradictions and errors of the Bible are among the many reasons that cause the corruption of the Bible! Let say you and me watch a man hung on the tree so we will say that he is hung on the tree! If you say that he is hung on a cross and I say that that he is hung on lamp post, will the court accept your testimony and mine? You and me are not there so you and me make contradictory statements! This contradiction has confirmed that Jesus was not crucified! Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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