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There was a great show on PBS about putting people back in time, living as they did in previous eras. They had one about returning to Puritan Colonial living here in early US history. Women truly had in miserable. They were not allowed to speak in public, argue with their husbands, they wore hot, thick clothes all over. Made me glad to not live then.

Patty, I can see what you are saying. But there can be no denying that women were always treated as 2nd class citizens in Christianity. You can go up through the Middle Ages, to lack of birth control, etc. Heck, a woman raped was ordered to marry the rapist! These of course are man-made laws. But if Jesus was there to liberate people, how in the world were women suppressed more?  We can take for instance the witch hunts, which were nothng more then getting rid of women who had power. They were the teachers and the healers who had great influence in their communities.  They burned at the stake and drowned many women labeled as 'witches.'

You can say how you want to interpret the New Testement, that is not how it was interpreted by the Church officials. And no one can deny that the rights of women are clearly listed in the Quran. Whatever the message that Jesus was sent to give has been changed and damaged by humans.

�� When Omar had driven the Jews out of Chaibar and the Christians out of Najaran, he gave instructions to his generals against the Jews and Christians.  These orders were called �the covenant of Omar,� and contained many restrictions against the �people of the Book� (Jews and Christians) � In spite of this fact, the Jews felt themselves freer under the new rule of Islam than they did in the Christian lands.  The restrictive laws of Omar were not carried out even during Omar�s lifetime, and though the fanatic [Muslims] scorned the Jews for their religion, they did not despise them as citizens, but showed great honor to worthy Jews.  The first [Muslims] treated the Jews as their equals; they respected them as friends and allies, and took an interest in them even as enemies.  The Asiatic and Egyptian Jews consequently treated the [Muslims] as their liberators from the yoke of the Christians � [bold emphasis added]�

Serv

Ref:  Graetz, Heinrich, �History of the Jews,� Volume III, New York, George Dobsevage, 1927, pp. 87-88

Servetus wrote: �� When Omar had driven the Jews out of Chaibar and the Christians out of Najaran, he gave instructions to his generals against the Jews and Christians.  These orders were called �the covenant of Omar,� and contained many restrictions against the �people of the Book� (Jews and Christians) � In spite of this fact, the Jews felt themselves freer under the new rule of Islam than they did in the Christian lands.  The restrictive laws of Omar were not carried out even during Omar�s lifetime, and though the fanatic [Muslims] scorned the Jews for their religion, they did not despise them as citizens, but showed great honor to worthy Jews.  The first [Muslims] treated the Jews as their equals; they respected them as friends and allies, and took an interest in them even as enemies.  The Asiatic and Egyptian Jews consequently treated the [Muslims] as their liberators from the yoke of the Christians � [bold emphasis added]� Serv Ref:  Graetz, Heinrich, �History of the Jews,� Volume III, New York, George Dobsevage, 1927, pp. 87-88

Very good one dear Servetus,please smile and know that it still goes,here in my city,while we are on Ramadan we invite Christians and Jews to Iftar Dinner for opening the fast together  or at least celebrating and sharing the beauty of this month,with this divine soul they fast for the day being invited to dinner...also we visit them regularly giving our best wishes...they have large churches and Hawras beside our mosques;so many mosques and churches are so close to each other,we exchange the bloods while someone needs...here is the city known as Tarsus and Adana may Dear Patty know well...

Syria is also same...where the knowledge is high there the peace comes...

Best Regards