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[quote]BTW, I have heard the the Pope soft-shoes it with his stick: a la Fred Astaire...[/quote

I needed that...great visuals!
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

[quote]BTW, I have heard the the Pope soft-shoes it with his stick: a la Fred Astaire...[/quote

I needed that...great visuals!

And he doesn't take off his hat....

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2006 at 4:29pm

I posted exactly how Catholics feel about the statues, pictures, painting, etc.  You can choose to believe they worship these items, or you can choose to believe we appreciate the beauty in them, and we respect and honor them. 

Anything else I would say, as a life-long Catholic, would not mean anything to you.  You know more about Catholicism than a Catholic, so that's fine.  You're quite free to believe what you want.

And it's true, no one knows what Jesus really looked like.  We have ideas of what he may have looked like, and that is what we use in our pictures, statues, etc. 

As a devoted Catholic I can truly tell you that for a Catholic to worship the STATUE would be to deliberately send our souls to hell, as this is a mortal sin in our religion.  How sad that so many really nice, intelligent people choose to believe lies and twist the truth of the Catholic faith.  I would never consider doing such a thing to Islam.  For us to worship any inanimate object is commiting the great sin of blasphemy also.  You do not know the truth about the Catholic doctrine in this matter.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mishmish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2006 at 5:16pm

Patty,

I was teasing about the Pope. I hope you didn't get offended. My Grandfather and Aunt were very strict Catholics. My mother went to Catholic school, but it didn't stick.

My Aunt was a beautiful woman, and I loved her very much. She was always my favorite and she had the kindest heart of anyone. I could never believe anything bad of her. I do not believe for a second she worshipped statues or idols.

But, I do live in Texas, and have seen Catholics here making shrines to trees, windows, and other objects where they believe they can see images of Jesus or Mary. In fact, this is not uncommon here.

Perhaps this is not mainstream Catholicism. I don't know. I do know that priests have held masses at some of these shrines.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2006 at 7:19pm

Dear Mishmish said:

"I was teasing about the Pope. I hope you didn't get offended."

Of course it saddens me when people make jokes about the Holy Father.  Why would you think otherwise?  If I were to joke about Mohammed (which I never would) do you think it might bother you?

The (mainly) Hispanic people believe they see many visions of Mary and some of the Saints.  Mostly it is not accepted as Truth by the Officials of the Catholic Church.  It takes years and years for a vision to be proven as authentic, or not.  Like the little girl who saw Our Lady at Fatima, or the three little children who saw Mary at Madjagori (sp).  But no one can prevent them from saying what they believe they saw.  The priests out of respect will come say a Mass.  Very few "visions" are taken as the truth.....any vision is subjected to years of study before a decision is made as to its authenticity.  These are good people, perhaps a little overzealous, who would really LOVE to see a vision, and (imo) convince themselves that they have.  Is it true?  Only God Himself really knows.

It's no problem, Mishmish.  I know you are a fair and decent person with a good heart.

Peace be with you always.....

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And I'm not? I assume your comment before the one addressed to Mishmish was addressed to me. In response to your comment I have worked in a Catholic hospital for 6 years. Every single day I had to talk with the fathers and nuns of the Hospital! When I take breaks to pray I came into the chapel with various statues and yes I know the intial thought of Catholics is to respect religious figures of history but one can do that without creating images! one does not need to create an image of the saint Mary (the holy Mother of Jesus) to respect her. You can bow and show respect without having to kneel in front of a statue. Can you not?
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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

And I'm not? I assume your comment before the one addressed to Mishmish was addressed to me. In response to your comment I have worked in a Catholic hospital for 6 years. Every single day I had to talk with the fathers and nuns of the Hospital! When I take breaks to pray I came into the chapel with various statues and yes I know the intial thought of Catholics is to respect religious figures of history but one can do that without creating images! one does not need to create an image of the saint Mary (the holy Mother of Jesus) to respect her. You can bow and show respect without having to kneel in front of a statue. Can you not?

Dear Israfil,  Certainly you are a most kind and decent person too.  I just got caught up in the post from Mishmish.  You are one the most kindest and good hearted here on this forum.  Whether you choose to believe it or not is entirely up to you, of course.  But we do NOT worship these pictures, statues, and paintings.  We kneel in front of them because it seems (at least to us) to be more sacred and holy to kneel to pray to God.  We do try to respect and honor the Holy Mother Mary and the Angels and Saints.  Looking at a beautiful picture of them is a way to "feel" closer to them, to "feel" peaceful.  It's like when I look at my tiny granddaughter.  She lives very far away from me, but when I look at her picture, I feel closer to her.  I love her and honor and respect her for the beautiful little human she is.  I DO NOT WORSHIP HER.  I hope you can see the difference.  I have done my best.  And it's utimately your personal decision to believe what you want.  That's what freedom is all about, isn't it?

All God's Peace to You!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mishmish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2006 at 7:56pm

If you said the Prophet Mohammed danced soft shoe I would not be offended. But, Muslims don't believe Mohammed is holy or a conduit to God. He is a man.

I am not sure, other than the dancing, what I wrote that has upset you so much. I merely answered DavidC about the cartoons and the Quran.

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