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    Posted: 14 July 2006 at 11:05pm

Assalamu'alaykum dear Muslims 

This is an Islamic forum.

One of the members called Angela is insulting the word of Allah by calling the reciters of the Qur'an having not good voices as dying cats. (Go through the topic One year reflections in the section General Discussion)

She is not even apologizing for her comments, she is remaining adamant on her point.

Please take the responsible action on Angela.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2006 at 4:33am

Aleykum Selam ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Brother Muhammed,

Brother, if you read the thread again,you will realize that there is no insult on the words of Allah again  any bad intention to the reciters,Angela just drop an point on to the issue of bad recitation of the surahs can damage the feelings beside the glory of Qur'an as you can easily see from her words that it is an real effect which should be considered seriously,brother there are some nobles in Islam but condemning the bad recitation of Qur'an is not inside of these nobles,Allah knows the best,sometimes making ennobles to nobles may cause so much damage something else like hatred or anger,brother we should always concern on to walking on the way has given by Allah and passing the limits may cause harms on our friendships between each others,as an example that under of  these wrong unrightful feelings you have missed how she loves to listen and read Qur'an and i really i wonder how you have lost in useless points beside of a sister who lives in USA and really respects your religion while she is a Christian,,brother may be you need a trip to the west for seeing how persons live and reacts to Islam without looking any informations for the real validity or confirmations from the truth then i believe you will come back here and will realize how we have beautiful friends we have that sometimes we do not see their beauties before loosing them i wish we will not bcs this is a blessing of Allah having a blessed a brothers and sisters,by that reason i do not give right to your feelings,if one reads qur'an like a dying cat then it means he is insulting the qur'an!,let me show it's proof from a source of the hadits with a quotation from the book of Khurram Murad called "The way to the Qur'an":

Reading Beautifully

Next to reading the Qur'an correctly, it is desirable to learn the art of qira'ah in order to read it beautifully, in a sweet, pleasant, and melodious style and voice. There are many Hadith which point in this direction:

"Beautify the Qur'an with your voices (Abd Da'ud).

God does not listen to anything as He does to a prophet with a good voice who recites the Qur'an aloud (Bukhari, Muslim). He who does not chant the Qur'an is not among us (Bukhari) .

But remember that the real beauty is the beauty that comes with the fear of God in one's heart:

His recitation and voice is most beautiful that when you hear him you think he fears God (Darimi)

I want to finish my words from a example from my summer house which is inside a small village similar to you can see French and Spain,you know there is a mosque at the middle of the village and humble houses who has large gardens beside the pine trees covered with the glorious mountains.

So many years ago there was a imam who was  reciting the adhan very badly,it was so horrible that all unbelievers in the village was laughing at him,you could see how made a negative effect on Islam that so many of the villagers were not going to mosque by the cause of his bad recitation,of course this is also wrong he was doing his best and was unable to recite well and they should ignore his recitation and could close to Islam....

Brother,all we want to say is who recites Qur'an must be chosen from the persons who has good voices to be able to recite well,also his iman is important but the good voice is important for effecting onto the others...dying cat concept was just an reaction under of the beauty of Qur'an that was not fitting to its wonderful existence,just a saying and please do not offend.... ws...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2006 at 5:01am

Brother Suleyman, I agree that it is good to recite the Qur'an with beautiful and pleasant voice. But there is no problem if one cannot recite the Qur'an with pleasant voice.

VOICE OF DYING CATS - This phrase sounds so insulting and offensive.

Angela should not call those reciters of the Qur'an who have bad voices as dying cats. The recitation of the Qur'an is so meritorious. The Qur'an is the word of Allah. It does not matter wether one has a good voice or a bad voice. But it is the recitation of the Qur'an which is more important. 

If somebody is listening to a song, and if the voice is not good, then if he/she wishes, can say that it sounds like a dying cat. But when somebody is listening to the recitation of the Holy Qur'an and if some people have bad voices while reciting it, then one should not call it as the voice of dying cat because they are reciting the word of Allah.

 

Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

If it sounds like a dying cat, it doesn't matter what they are saying. 

If the voice sounds like a dying cat, it does.  It doesn't matter what they are singing.

 

Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

I always tell the truth, even if people don't like it.  If I think it sounds bad, the I will say so.

 

Angela wrote:

If it sounds like a dying cat, it doesn't matter what they are saying.

Angela wrote:

If the voice sounds like a dying cat, it does.  It doesn't matter what they are singing.

Angela wrote:

If I think it sounds bad, the I will say so.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2006 at 5:16am

Allah knows the best brother,if i know someone's heart well then i can not offend,your view is right to on others we do not know well that we can assume are they insulting?,but no way on Angela,may be she was angry on a matter that talked hurshly...let's close the file,no need....

Brother what do you think on Tour de France?,do you watch?....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2006 at 7:56am
Originally posted by Muhammad77 Muhammad77 wrote:

Assalamu'alaykum dear Muslims 

This is an Islamic forum.

One of the members called Angela is insulting the word of Allah by calling the reciters of the Qur'an having not good voices as dying cats. (Go through the topic One year reflections in the section General Discussion)

She is not even apologizing for her comments, she is remaining adamant on her point.

Please take the responsible action on Angela.

 

Salam Alaikum brother Muhammad.MashaAllah nice name you have..

Brother I advice you not to complain about some people here.This is not your task,here is Admin and moderators, if they not feel concerned, you dont need.

A lot of thinks are changed in this world... Take care brother...

btw: Do some1 ask you, why you use this nick? I had got alot questions why I use muhammad at chatroom...

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2006 at 10:20am

Bismillah,

Anybody want to bring up taboos in the Islaamic world as it relates to this topic? 

The reciter receives merit from Allah, The All-Knowing, for his/her recitation no matter how unmelodical as long as it is accurate.

People know that correct memorization involves serious study and the person is to be respected for this achievement.

The person is sharing their knowledge because it is a respected way to worhip Allah, Our Loving, Forgivng Lord.

And when it comes down to it, being a westerner and all, I prefer to listen to any Quranic reciter with a melodious voice rather than a harsh one. 

Salaamu Alaykum



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