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DigitalStorm82 
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 Posted: 29 July 2006 at 12:02am |
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Peace and blessings to all
I would like to make something clear to all... According to Islam, the Quran, Jesus didnt not die at all... He was raised up to the heavens ALIVE. It says in the Quran... They did not kill him, neither did they crucify him. Sister patty, Jesus indeed was a great prophet and performed many miracles with the permission of God. Jesus never claimed divinity even in the Bible... He said... "By myself I can do nothing: I judge only according to what I hear from the Father" Without God, he can do nothing... so how can he be God himself? If he can't do anything himself. Something else to ponder... Jesus was supposedly crucified on friday.. that is why its known as "Good Friday" In Gospel of John Ch.
20: V.1 FRIDAY NIGHT SATURDAY NIGHT & SATURDAY DAY In Gospel of Mathew Chapter 12: V. 39-40 Jesus said: You evil and adulterous generation, seek here for a sign, no sign shall be given to you but the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of whale so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonah was ALIVE (otherwise no miracle) in the belly of the whale... so for Jesus to fulfill his prophecy in Gospel of Mathew chapter 12 verse 39-40 Jesus should be alive in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights like Jonah. So, If Jesus was alive in the tomb... he fulfilled his prophecy of being alive... but he still never stayed in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights as the tomb was empty on sunday morning. So if Jesus was alive... that means he wasn't crucified... If, Jesus was dead in the tomb... he was UNLIKE JONAH ...he didn't fulfill his prophecy... He Lied? God Forbid... Jesus wasn't a liar. All of this is according to the bible... Muslims beleive that Jesus was raised up to the heaven before any of this... It was made to APPEAR that Jesus was crucified... This may be very confusing to you... if you have any questions please ask. And, I appologize if I have offended you or your beliefs... I'm just trying to show you something in your own beliefs. Maybe you can clear it up for me and yourself. Peace be with you. Hamid |
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Ma'Salama,
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B.H.
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Posted: 29 July 2006 at 3:35pm |
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According to Islam, the Quran, Jesus didnt not die at all... He was raised up to the heavens ALIVE. I am sorry but even the Koran qoutes Jesus as saying he will die. |
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DigitalStorm82
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Posted: 29 July 2006 at 6:21pm |
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He will die after he returns from the heaven... he will die after he lives out his life... he will die after he beats the anti-christ aka Dajjal.
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Ma'Salama,
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ZEA J
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 2:11pm |
can you qoute these suras for us please, B.H |
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"You will never attain piety and righteousness,(and eventually paradise)until you
spend of that which you love."(Al-Imran:92) |
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DigitalStorm82
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 9:44pm |
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32. "And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. 33. "And Sal�m (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" Chapter 3 55. And (remember) when All�h said: "O ��s� (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that ��s� (Jesus) is All�h�s son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but All�h) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of All�h, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, ��s� (Jesus), M�s� (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taur�t (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur��n] till the Day of Resurrection[1]. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute." Also Read Below to clarify... Jesus didn't die nor was he killed... He'll return... kill the antichrist... and live out his life... and then RAISED ALIVE on the day of ressurrection... AKA Judgement Day. Chapter 4 157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah ��s� (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of All�h," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of ��s� (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ��s� (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام]: 158. But All�h raised him [��s� (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he عليه السلام is in the heavens). And All�h is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. May Allah guide you all, Inshallah. W'salaamz, Hamid |
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B.H.
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 10:10pm |
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I have translations by Dawood and Ali. All three translate a qoute from Jesus saying that he would indeed die one day in 19:33--- Ali: "There was peace on me the day I was born,and will be the day that I die, and on the day I will be raised from the dead." Dawood: "I was blessed on the day I was born, and blessed I shall be on the day of my death, and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life." Now, Chapter 3:55---
Ali: When God said:"O Jesus, I will take you to myself and exalt you, and rid you of the infidels, and hold those who follow you......" Dawood: He said: "Jesus, I am about to cause you to die and lift you up to me. I shall take you away from the unbelievers and exalt your followers..."
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DigitalStorm82
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 10:48pm |
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Asalamu Alaikum,
Bro, I think you need to look at the translation of Yusuf Ali and Pickthall. Dawood translation clearly contradicts the Quran chapter 4 vs. 153. What does the Dawood translation say in Chapter 4 vs. 153? Yusuf Ali or Pickthall translations clearly says he was raised up to the heavens... In Dawood, his death comes out of nowhere... Jesus was raised up Alive, and there is so many hadith which suggest that... You should research a bit more... W'salaamz, Hamid |
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Ma'Salama,
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Daniel Dworsky
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 11:18pm |
Whoa!!!! Does that mean we're off the hook? 
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