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You wrote: "The question in your second post is not very clear." It is as clear as a bell and very simple: I will restate it. If a Christian converted to Islam in order to obtain free room and board at a madrass, would you consider that conversion valid? It is a simple yes or no question.

You also referenced Dr. Philips' stand on terrorim. He wrote: "...Islaam opposes any form of indiscriminate violence..." My question to you on this matter is also simple and clear. Do you believe the hyjackers of 9/11 committed an indiscriminate form of violence? It is yet one more simpe yes or no question.

You also wrote: "Perhaps Katzman makes you see the world in his own eyes..." I do not know who Katzman is. However, the thing he reported was also widely reported by others. Once again my question to you is simple yes or no. Do YOU believe the women of Israel are rightly the physical property of the Jihaddists opposing Israeli Imperialism. Or not?
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I will answer the same questions I asked of you. Yes, I believe a person who converts to Islam to obtain matterial benefits has a valid conversion.

Yes. I believe the hyjackers of 9/11 committed an act of indiscriminate fiolence.

No. I do not believe the women of Israel are the rightful physical property of the Jihadists who confront Israeli imperialism.
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Ejdavid,

I have answered you at length. The validity of one's conversion, whether it is for material gain or out of sincere faith - is for the Most High to judge. 

I refuse any comments that try to link 9/11 with Islam. Through Dr. Bilal Philips statement, I have made Islam's position on terrorism clear. Do you need more?

If you are not able to comprehend simple things, it seems you are not ready to absorb the subject on female captives and their status at the time of war from and Islamic perspective. They are not as you describe "physical properties of jihadists" but have a status above that of a common prisoners of war and can not be approached against their will.

In fact, Islam always encouraged freeing this kind of women. This kind of treatment is perhaps why throughout history many captives willingly and without force accepted Islam and later fought in line with their brother Muslims.    

Taking into account the importance of the subject of captives, I shall try to contribute a couple of useful and relevant articles for everyone's attention in a separate thread. Stay tuned.



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Mokaba - You wrote: "I refuse any comments that try to link 9/11 with Islam. Through Dr. Bilal Philips statement, I have made Islam's position on terrorism clear. Do you need more?" Yes I do..

First, I did not try to link 9/11 with Islam, though you now have. I simply asked if the hyjackers, (whether they be Mosad or Boy Scouts of America) had committed acts of indiscriminate violence. Your defensive response to the non-sectarian question can only lead to suspicion.

Muslim refusals to answer such questions directly is very suspicious to many people. One result, I believe, is that it leads to more suspicion of Islam itself; a situation that has been increasing over the years.
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PS: Thanks for the clarification on the status of captives. It is much appreciated. Thanks....
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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Mockba

Reference you asked for, plus, audio (?)

Saudi Cleric Wants Jewish Women as Slaves
by Joe Katzman at April 28, 2002 04:44 PM

Al-Buraik, a Wahhabi cleric with close ties to the king's youngest son Prince Abdul Aziz Ben Fahd, has some fascinating views. He's not a fringe kook, either; Al-Buraik was a member of the Saudi delegation accompanying Crown Prince Abdullah on his visit to the USA. Here's what he had to say in a recent sermon:

"Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?"

http://media.islamway.com/arabic/images/lessons/burek/monkey .rm Click here to listen for yourself.

And what would your reaction be to a group who has slaughtered your people, stolen your lands, wiped out villages, and massacred captured soldiers yet never went to trial in any court?

1) In Islam, the taking of slaves during war with a people with whome the Muslims have no working treaties is permissible.

2) The Zionists started an aggresive campaign to control, dominate, and himliate Muslims and Christian Arabs in the Middle East.

3) If I knew someone was developing a weapon that would infect me as a race (planned genocide), I would be upset also.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,16272,00.html

The reaction of some Muslims to the Israeli agression, and the double standard of the US, is much more understandable than the excuses given by the necons as they attempt to carve up the world.

A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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