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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

So I will ask you a sincere and simple question. Do YOU object to Christian missionaries taking in orphans?

No I don't, but this isn't the issue you brought up or discussing  

 
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Good. Now for the issue EYE brought up.

I contend my family's India charity work converting Hindus with matterial incentive IS supperior to shooting Hindus who do not convert to Islam. I am not saying any Muslims ARE doing such things, I am simply saying if they did it would not be equivalent to providing gummy bears to the orphans.

This all came up because Muslim kidnappers DID convert the FOX newsmen at the threat of death. That threat IS different and inferior to what my family does in India. If you disagree, I really, really want you to continue saying so before the entire world.....

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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Hanan - You seem to have missed one of my posts. In it I described an actual Indian Christian charity run by my sister and her husband. I told you no one dies by not accepting the charity in that part of India. Also, the entire community benefits from fron the influx of new wealth.

Furhter, I believe the centerpiece of their activity is the orphanage founded by my brother in law's father. It would be incomprehensible to me if you or andalus would object to that sort of work. It is one case where these people are actually saved from possible death by this work.

This is generalizing from the particular. We have already established that there are legit Christian groups.

The scope of the thread is the binding agreement with accepting a faith under the coercion of death,m whter it be through starvation or a bullet. In either case, Islam prohibits using coercion as a means to convert, and does not recognize a conversion under such circumstances.

 
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RECKONING

Someday the diety will ask: "Did you feed orphans or bomb commuter trains." All else is commentary.
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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

I Am Out Of Here!

Good, may God quide you in a true direction...
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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Finally, I just can't resist this last post. I know it is unChristian of me, but when Christian activists show up in India from California they bring food, trinkets and entertainment. When Muslim activists show up form Pakistanb or Cashmir, they bomb commuter trains.

IMHO, this rather bad Islamic PR.

More masterful obfuscation.

1) This is called a false analogy. Christian activists are coming from CA with gifts is may or may not the same (you should clarify and then establish why it is relevant) as Christian missionaries who purposely target the most desperate of the world as a way to use basic sustenance of life as a means to coerce these peoples into converting to their faith.

2) In Islam, we do not have "missionaries. Furthermore, Islam prohibits the use of direct force as a means to spread the faith.

3) The Christians from CA are not oppressed people who are trying to free themselves.

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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

RECKONING

Someday the diety will ask: "Did you feed orphans or bomb commuter trains." All else is commentary.

Or bomb entire villages? Or use terrorism to contain communism? Or policies that starve and deprive nations? If Gd asks this question, I fear that many US Christians will be having a great deal of trouble.

 
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