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Angela
Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 8:51am | ||||
THE TESTIMONY OF THREE WITNESSES
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer Martin Harris THE TESTIMONY OF EIGHT WITNESSES
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.
Christian Whitmer Jacob Whitmer Peter Whitmer, Jun John Whitmer Hiram Page Joseph Smith, Sen Hyrum Smith Samuel H. Smith http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/hancock/history_carthage. html 1844- Joseph Smith, founder of Mormon Church, and his brother Hyrum Smith were shot today in the old Carthage jail.
Its called prayer and the Holy Ghost. You ask in sincerity and open yourself to the promptings of the Holy Spirit of God. Muslims call this Salat al-istikhara. |
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Angela
Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 9:25am | ||||
Saint Michael. You are right...there were more than 2...there were more. 24 is the officially recognized number of sealings. 33 is generally accepted but not provable and 48 is the largest number. However, there is a big difference between sealing and marriage. Here's an excerpt from answers.com
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Saint_Michael
Newbie Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 9:40am | ||||
Anjela I understand the difference between sealing and marriage (for time). However in D&C 132 Joseph Smith is commanded to take mroe wives to "raise up the seed". Now how is sealing only for eternity "raising up the seed" in accordance with D&C132? Brigham Young and later prophets did not follow that example? They clearly consumated their marriages.
These are Joseph Smith's wives, including I think 10 that were already married to LDS men. Most of these marraiges were hidden from the public eye and even lied about. So to say that Joseph Smith ONLY was sealed to other women AFTER his death is patently false. |
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Angela
Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 10:22am | ||||
St. Michael, http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=290
I actually stated the official geneological record states that FOUR of the TWENTY FOUR recognized wives were postumous. There are many lies that you can find in older anti-mormon sources that inflat the number of wives that he had taken. Needless to say...Polygamy is an accepted concept even if its no longer practiced. Therefore, I don't really care of Joseph had 700 wives. I really doesn't change my opinion of the man or my testimony of the Book of Mormon. If God ordered Prophet Hinckley to reinstate Polygamy tomorrow, I would be one of the first women to welcome its return. |
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Andalus
Moderator Group Joined: 12 October 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 12:45pm | ||||
Similarities do not cover differences but through bias.
Another complex question. You "handwaved" through your comparisons, leaving a great many unresolved points that you seem to want readers to accept willingly and without thought. Two people believing that Jesus existed does not tell us anything about the two people. IN other words, in a comparison analogy, we look at the primary attributes of the things. Two people breathing air does not allow on to draw any solid conclusion abut the similarities between the two people. These attributes would only allow a general conclusion.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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StephenC
Guest Group Joined: 16 September 2006 Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 4:28pm | ||||
I'm sorry I did not realize that asking "What are the differences" between Muhammad (Islam) and Smith (Mormonism) was that complex of a question. I guess that my point is that as a casual reader of the Qur'an (and its history) and the Book of Mormon (and its history) I really don't see any significant differences. Without any significant differences, then I must question whether both or either books/religions are of God or of man |
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Andalus
Moderator Group Joined: 12 October 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 7:13pm | ||||
A complex question was in reference to a question you gave that had at its bases an assumption that was neither proven or argued.
That is your opinion. Millions do not agree, and that is why some adhere to the book of Mormon and some do not. We have a Mormon on the forum, and any indepth discussion would not be beneficial.
If you could not find any significant differences, then I might suggest more than a cursory read. I have read the book of Mormon, and there are significant differences. If this is your opinion and you feel what you think is true, then you are free to think this. |
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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StephenC
Guest Group Joined: 16 September 2006 Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: 19 September 2006 at 7:54pm | ||||
"A complex question was in reference to a question you gave that had at its bases an assumption that was neither proven or argued." What assumption was that?
"Without any significant differences, then I must question whether both or either books/religions are of God or of man" "If you could not find any significant differences, then I might suggest more than a cursory read. I have read the book of Mormon, and there are significant differences. If this is your opinion and you feel what you think is true, then you are free to think this." I was hoping you would mention even ONE significant difference between the two prophets and their religions/books. When I request ONE significant difference, I mean something more significant then their height, nationality, etc. I would appreciate your knowledge in this matter instead of vague replies, |
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