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 Posted: 22 September 2006 at 7:28am |
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim One thing i forgot to tell you was that Ayisha (ra) was one of the scholars who dont believe in tradition of Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam talking to the dead at well of badr. So if it seems funny to you, you dont have to believe in it but never disrespect a tradition because it might just be true. She was one of most intelligent person among sahabah and sahabiat (ra), a child who had done to her what disbelievers accuse our innocent Prophet, she would not have been the way she was. You wrote, 'So what am I supposed to do now? I've left Islam. What happens now if I want to come back?' SubhanAllah little brother. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is Most Merciful, He forgives you all your past sins if you do taubah with sincerity. I am sure you know that you would have to take a bath, and take shahadah infront of two witnessess. But i would want you to clear all your doubts at the same time, you can ask any questions and inshaAllah we will try to explain in best of our ability. May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala guide you to His way and give you peace of mind, ameen |
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Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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Suleyman
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Posted: 22 September 2006 at 12:04pm |
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If you keep talking then i will give you a big clue from Qur'an that you will never sleep for the rest of your life... You are lack of wisdom of Qur'an,may Allah bless these poor persons... |
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Rational Mind
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Posted: 23 September 2006 at 5:08am |
Damn it!!!!!! I lost my post ahhhhhh!!! Anyway you said Aisha was reached puberty, however there is evidance to suggest she did not, as she played with dolls. And played on the swings. Some hadith: Book 41, Number 4917: Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: When we came to Medina, the women came to me when I was playing on the swing, and my hair were up to my ears. They brought me, prepared me, and decorated me. Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and he took up cohabitation with me, when I was nine. Book 008, Number 3311: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. ref: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim /008.smt.html#008.3311 Tarikh al-Tabari "(Aisha says) My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me." ... "(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died" So Aisha could not have been in puberty, and even so how does being in puberty make having sex with a child ok? Would you give your 9 year old virgin duaghter to a man who is 50 something years old to be penitrated? she could suffer permenet damage. In Iran you can marry a 9 year old girl, this is child-abuse. How can Allah allow this, how could Mohamed do this, why did he do it? I cant understand. Unless if the hadith are made up, and maybe the hadith compliers were non Muslims who made things up. Such as the last sermon, my teacher told me the last sermon of Mohamed before he died is fabricated, she told me. Mohamed was a crazy man, even one called him crazy he sat in a cave and saw things, he was evil. She told me his baby sitter when he was a kid said he is evil and did not want to look after him or something. I told my teacher what you told me, and she said that she is trying to trick you back into Islam, ask her why do I need 2 witnesses if I want to come back to Islam, isn't Allah omnipresent and knows everything so why two human witnesses? She also got a little angry with me, and told me I am believing in fairytales, and that you're trying to trick me back into Islam, she said that she knows what Islam is she can't do anything he is considered a "private part" which the devil enters if she leaves the house so she has to remain covered up. And she told me also that she is not your sister, and that Muslims are no good. I don't know who to believe? |
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fatima
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Posted: 23 September 2006 at 5:59am |
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Those ahadith are authentic and ayisha (ra) was 9 when she got married. She did attain puberty at that age and playing with dolls does not prove it to be otherwise. I have seen grown men spending hours on playstations, what does that mean? nothing, zilsh. A child who is molested in childhood gets scared for life. He or she can hardly get over that incident and be outstanding in life's every department let alone be one of the greatest scholars of worlds greatest and fastest growing religion. You want to know why a women is covered up? She covers up because our Lord has ordained it on us. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala gave us enough respect that we do not become peace of flesh for creeps. In this so modern society where there is so called freedom, a woman is still a slave of men's desires. She wants to look good and fit to get a guys attention, to get a job and to reach any where. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala prohibits it because just like men we are and should be what ever we could be due to our personality and brain not because the way we look. And i am not tricking you into nothing, you asked me question and i gave you the answers i know of. I did not sugar coat anything, neither am i going to do it for you or anybody else. I know and believe that laws of my Lord are perfect why would i try to justify it and taint it. Its upto you who you want to listen to, my part is only to explain, rest is upto you. One last thing, whatever rubbish your teacher says about our dear Prophet sallallahu alaihe wassalam, keep it to yourself, i dont want to see it posted next time. Oh i almost forgot you sort of asked a question in there, 'Would you give your 9 year old virgin duaghter to a man who is 50 something years old ' Well let me think, for first 25 years of his life he stayed a virgin amongst a society where relation between a man and woman outside marriage was as common as today's british society. Then he married a widow who was about 15 years older than him (now before your kind and generous friend's twisted mind brands it 'for sake of her money, let me tell you he never took no money off her and earned his own livelihood) then stays faithfull to her for 25 years. Have a perfect marriage with a lady who gives him4 daughters in a society where females were burried alive. He earns so much respect at age of 35 in a society where respect and nobility was only for older (above 60 or 70) and rich, that when he was chosen to be the one deciding where to place the most sacred rock of most holiest place, everyone was more than happy thats its him. He is so pious, trust worthy and truthful that people were ready to accept whatever he says with their eyes closed. Then at age of 40, he claims to be a prophet and gets nothing out of that claim other than getting stoned at, sweared at, bruised and ijured taking everyone's abuse and being boycotted till almost dying with hunger but does not give up his claim. His followers are all poor people getting nothing but abuse for reverting but still love him more than their own selves and increase in numbers every day. Then his wife dies and He asks my daughter's hand, you know what i will be honoured to have such a person as my son in law and so would every believing parent. Just want2 leave you with these verses, 'Shall We then treat the People of Faith like the People of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge ye? Or have ye a book through which ye learn- That ye shall have, through it whatever ye choose? Or have ye Covenants with Us to oath, reaching to the Day of Judgment, (providing) that ye shall have whatever ye shall demand? Ask thou of them, which of them will stand surety for that! Or have they some "Partners" (in Allahhead)? Then let them produce their "partners", if they are truthful! (68: 35-42) Just a thought about your "friend's ways, teachings or promises. Edited by fatima |
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Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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Posted: 23 September 2006 at 7:17am |
Nothing has change ever since I start the religious discussion sister, in person or in the internet. The theme are always the same, the same pattern wherever you go. Muhammad is deeply loved by the muslims all over the globe all the time. So relax sister I have seen all of them, the big and the small. "Muhammad robbed the caravan" has not come yet. Muhammad sat and listen to arabian rabbi and started the Qur'an from that sitting is still out there. Mary the copt was the illegitemate wife surely will come. Muhammad scribe created qur'anic word at will other than Muhammad dictation is still somewhere there. Muhammad did this and Muhammad did that are so many out there. All of those are for one purpose and one purpose only, hate Muhammad. Edited by superme |
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Suleyman
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Posted: 23 September 2006 at 8:25am |
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Dear Fatima,we have entered to Ramadan and we really do not have to prove them anything please do not waste your breath with this man...you can't convince him just ban it at all...ws...
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Rational Mind
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Posted: 23 September 2006 at 10:26am |
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|He killed a poetess, I think her name was Asama what was the reason behind this?
I understand what you're saying but she when she says it makes me feel bad to say to her I want to be a Muslim, I mean I like her. I sometimes think she is saying this for ulterior motives. All Muslims have told me to be nice to my parents regardless, she tells me to betray them, seems kinda strange for me, I am just confused now. |
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fatima
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 6:03am |
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaikum Dear Fatima,we have entered to Ramadan and we really do not have to prove them anything please do not waste your breath with this man...you can't convince him just ban it at all I am not trying to prove or convince him of anything brother, I am just putting plain reality infront of him. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is the only one who has power over hearts and if this guy has a goodness and sincerity in amount of speck of a date in his heart, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is Most generous in His rewards. To rational mind, yeah i remember Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam ordering for a poetess named asma bint marwan to be killed. But i cant remember the time period so can you point me in which hijri it was so i could look up. I dont know this lady friend of yours so i am not going to say anything bout her but Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has put a sense into every person to judge a person. If you really looking for the truth then you have to do your own research, not be dependent on her or just one muslim in a forum. |
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