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Originally posted by Andalus Andalus wrote:

Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

If I claimed to be a prophet from God would you accept that or would you demand proof?

demand evidence

Out of curousity  - But would you believe though?

And with having the belief in/of islam and the evidence is as per the criteria that you brought forth which i guess is what you would use, right? (no?-something?) to measure the evidence of someone claiming to be a prophet.

think i just confused my curousity

Anyway, do you have a verse that Muhammad proclaimed he was the last, as muslims say the seal of the Prophets, it probably has been mentioned over time.

Finally what is mujizas? you stated that Muhammad produced or displayed it. Is that similar to miracles? I have not come across this before.

Perhaps you can make another thread on this and have what you put here from the scholar in there to.
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"Stephen I think you are getting mixed up in what Angela has said. She stated for mormons: "Now we do not believe him to be the last Prophet period, but its possible he was the last Prophet specifically for that people." So your last sentence is incorrect.

Muslims believe Muhammed to be the seal of the Prophets and so Joseph Smith would be false in the eyes of islam and muslims.

As for the first sentence how can Muhammed lie if he said he was the last Prophet 'period' for his people as per Angela's statement? (leaving aside that islam therefore Muhammed is for all people)"

My responses were solely in response to Angela's comments about if Muhammad was the last prophet period - meaning that Muhammad was the last prophet from God for everyone.  I did not address the situation if Muhammad was the last prophet from God for HIM people.

In Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Did Muhammad claim that he was "the last prophet from God" or did he claim that he was "the last prophet from God" for his people?

Logically speaking, if Muhammad was the last prophet from God for ALL people, then Joseph Smith could not be a true prophet from God (unless someone wants to argue that God's will changes).

If Joseph Smith is a true prophet from God, then how could Muhammad's claim to be the last prophet from God for everyone (if that is what he claimed) be true.

I agree if Muhammad was the last prophet from God for HiS people, then Smith could be a true prophet from God.

What did Muhammad claim?

 
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You've already asked this question on prophet Muhammad's claim as being the last prophet.

I'v already answered it and showed you where in the Quran it states so.

Do you always like to repeat your questions?
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Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

So I should not question anyone who claims to have a message from God or an angel?

If you believe as you stated that God does speak to mankind and uses angels, why question it ?

For me personally I don't see a problem in questioning.

Quote The fact that one God exists and is the creator is a given.

it's a given is it ?? really, what about those who do not believe in God's existence - is that a given also? I would say it is for them

What is your proof that one God exist or just God? Is that a fact or a belief ? which is it?

Quote I believe God does speak to mankind and uses Angels.

So why is it different for Muhammad ??

Quote However, if I compare undisputed encounters between mankind and God and/or his Angels with that of Muhammad (and Smith, Kresh, etc.) I find significant differences.

You don't comput here, what undisputed encounters between God/Angels and mankind? You must've come across some to say such a thing. And why is it a problem that there are differences with that of Muhammad (and smith, kresh whoever he is) ? Are ALL encounters with God and/or Angels suppose to be the same ?

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Originally posted by air_one air_one wrote:

You've already asked this question on prophet Muhammad's claim as being the last prophet.

I'v already answered it and showed you where in the Quran it states so.

Do you always like to repeat your questions?


I am responding to someone else's post.  Do you always NOT read other peoples postings before you make your own?
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Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

What did Muhammad claim?

you know i just realise, in religion (islam) I believe it was God that choose Muhammed and apointed him as a messenger who is (suppose) the seal of the Prophets, so really Muhammed didn't claim anything, God chose him.

And also since islam is part of the Abrahamic line and all the Prophets came from, well............... was there any other in line??   There was no other that claimed/appointed to be a Prophet after Muhammed in the Abrahamic line was there



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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

So I should not question anyone who claims to have a message from God or an angel?

If you believe as you stated that God does speak to mankind and uses angels, why question it ?

For me personally I don't see a problem in questioning.

Quote The fact that one God exists and is the creator is a given.

it's a given is it ?? really, what about those who do not believe in God's existence - is that a given also? I would say it is for them

What is your proof that one God exist or just God? Is that a fact or a belief ? which is it?

Quote I believe God does speak to mankind and uses Angels.

So why is it different for Muhammad ??

Quote However, if I compare undisputed encounters between mankind and God and/or his Angels with that of Muhammad (and Smith, Kresh, etc.) I find significant differences.

You don't comput here, what undisputed encounters between God/Angels and mankind? You must've come across some to say such a thing. And why is it a problem that there are differences with that of Muhammad (and smith, kresh whoever he is) ? Are ALL encounters with God and/or Angels suppose to be the same ?

Worship of God is the most important thing we can do, in my humble opinion.  I see the evidence of God in everything.  However, if you wish to debate about God, please let me know.

The problem, as I see it, is that there have been many people who claim to be Prophets from God when their "revelations" conflict with the "revelations" of other claimants.
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

What did Muhammad claim?

you know i just realise, in religion (islam) I believe it was God that choose Muhammed and apointed him as a messenger who is (suppose) the seal of the Prophets, so really Muhammed didn't claim anything, God chose him.

And also since islam is part of the Abrahamic line and all the Prophets came from, well............... was there any other in line??   There was no other that claimed/appointed to be a Prophet after Muhammed in the Abrahamic line was there

I believe the correct statement is that Muhammad claimed that a Voice gave him "revelations."  Someone else told Muhammad that it had to be the Angel Gabriel.

I, in my ignorance, do not know of anywhere in the Quran, that Muhammad claimed something to the affect of:

"And the voice said 'I am the Angel Gabriel and these are the revelations of God'."

A cite to cure my ignorance would be most appreciated.
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