Mohammad & Wives

Peace, Arab - your generous heart is a shining example of what this
forum can be used for. I have been reading your exchanges with Kay and
really dig your soulful posts.   Bless you - wa t'barak Allah, ya khoya.

Senekerk - Ask yourself what you are getting out of this experience.
Hopefully, folks like Andalus and Arab have shown you some of it's
magic. I, for one, have gelled with a few folks here and (naturally) am
repelled by others.

We can all be hurt by rough responses to our questions, like yours.

But then you read on - and see there is more spiritual depth to all of the
characters here, including S*R. A tough-looking but warm hearted Zen
Master (as maybe a few gruff fellows might be around here) ready with a
stick in case you get drugged listening to the sound of one hand clapping
or too caught up with questions that will lead further from any effective
realizations of the divine.

As they'd say in the Lower Ninth Ward, "Keep your eye on the donut, not
the hole, sugah!"


Anyway - more concisely - since I am part of this community for the time
being I will say what should be said without the rationalizing/moral
Tartufferie:

"I am sorry. It was short sighted and wrong to suggest you were a troll,
making fitna, etc."


Bless you, sweet Kay - God keep you close and God help us all Jamal
Morelli




Edited by Jamal Morelli

I think senekerk is sincere in her questions  let her clear her doubts now better then having them latter and or forgetting about them and having them affect her uncontiouse mind. Senekerk, what you are having trouble with is what also many Muslims have troubles with. Not the prophets marriage, but understanding him. You see, at times he would behave as a normal human being, he gets married, he has conflicts with his wives and they make up etc. At times he would behave as a prophet, at times as a friend. We have to be able to understand these different parts of his life. For example, a conflict happened between two Muslims Al Zubair and another guy may Allah be pleased with them. So they went to the prophet for him to judge between them, and he told Zubair that it would be better for you if you did so and so. Zubair understood the different parts the prophet had so he asked him "is this an advice from a friend or is this the ruling of a prophet"? And the prophet said "no its an advice from a friend".

He had different parts of his life, and we have to know how to differ between them. For example, since he was a prophet and it would be better for us to imitate hm since he is our role model, should we also eat all that he ate and sleep like he slept etc. No these are personal things these are parts of his normal life as a human being we dont have to immitate them. So you have to be able to understand that he was a normal human being like us he used to get happy and get sad and laugh and joke and so on. If he didnt have these human urges that he had we would have said "well then how are we supposed to take him as a role model he didnt even have the urges we had". U know? So he was like us, but divinely inspired. A man, a ruler, a father, a husband, a friend, a prosecuted man, a politician, a negotiator, a single guy, a Prophet, a religious leader, a general, everything so that we would take him as a role model in everything but we have to understand the different aspects of his life. People study this at Islamic colleges for years and years, its hard for me and or you to understand this in one discussion. For example, there was a specific type of honey he didnt like because it would cause bad breath so he didnt use to eat it, can we eat it? Of course. He used to get sad and cry at times for example when his son Ibrahim died and when he was escaped Mecca, should we do the same thing if it happens to us and have the same reaction? We dont know because every human being has a different reaction. He is the best role model for us but he was still human and has the right to behave like one.

 

 

Edited by Arab

senekerk wrote: Sign reader, i can not afford to hold a resentment over what you said I admit I was pickyunise and trite concerning the word beautiy please accept my apologies. i must let my hurt feelings go and let allah handle the situation Regards Kay

My dear Kay:
I am sorry that it had to come to this kind of exchange between us. My comment was not meant to hurt you at all rather to set a threshold i.e., what is the limit in this journey of yours  into the house where Muhammad (pbuh) happens to be the King of hearts. And no body enters unless heart and mind is in absolute alignment in reverence of the owner of the realm; meaning that he would be dearer than our parents, children and our spouses cuz he came back from the presence of Allah to complete the message for us and cleared the path by traveling each aspect of it in its perfection and selflessness of character. He was a man like no other man that
in Quraan 33:56-Lo! Allah and his angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with worthty salutations.
The masses are blind being with 20/20 sight, they have the visions for the Almighty cuz of him. Knowing what sacrifices he made that transformed the companions from the barbarians to the elite of humanity. If you read about the details of his wives they became the delegates for him towards the woman folks of the community cuz they would learn his character  and qualities first hand and transmit and train others after he was gone.
The last but not the least thing about entering in the
house of Islam starts with the Kalima:
which starts with la ilaha meaning there is no god, why does it start like that cuz you would need to wipe the slate clean before from your heart and mind that also includes your selfish ego, next is illiah but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.
These are the stages you need to understand.
Peace to you

senekerk wrote: Sign reader, i can not afford to hold a resentment over what you said I admit I was pickyunise and trite concerning the word beautiy please accept my apologies. i must let my hurt feelings go and let allah handle the situation Regards Kay

senekerk,

some may seem to be quick to label you as a troll or missionary, etc. This is due to some of the ugly bashing that takes place in the internet. Please do keep up your investigation, and your questions, and keep your heart open to what you may find.

May God guid us all.