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Originally posted by Dr Syed Alwi Dr Syed Alwi wrote:

<SPAN =post>In my younger days, I was a firm believer in God and in the Unseen. But I am not so sure anymore. I keep asking myself - if there is a God, will He then judge us Humans according to our beliefs or will He judge us according to our deeds - or simply both ? Nowadays I ask lots of questions. Why should someone who is born a Non-Muslim - a born Kafir - be sent to Hell for his/her beliefs when he/she dies as a Non-Muslim ? It makes no sense since we Humans do not have a choice as to what family we are born into ! Indeed one can go much further. Why not ask if God exists in the first place ? Hasn't Evolution demolished the hope of Creationists ? Goodness me ! Do you realise that there really is no scientific evidence for the world of the Unseen ? That perhaps - we are just one planet among many in the Universe - with Life. There is a good chance that there are many other "Earths" out there in space...I guess I find a lot of peace and security in the firm evidence of Science. Faith on the other hand revolves around unquestionable beliefs. Believe and don't ask embarassing questions ! Thats Faith ! But not Science. I guess I shall find out on my deathbed. Till then, I think I shall remain a Sceptical Muslim. Now thats a contradiction !</SPAN><SPAN =gensmall></SPAN>


Asalam Aalaikum,

Brother Alwi,

You are welcome to express your views and understanding in this forum and we will attempt to present our comments on your views.

You said that you were a firm believer in God (Allah) but now your faith and belief in God has become pretty vulnerable and are not sure whether God exists or not.
Their are some questions that makes a person think about the existance of God but those questions donot help the questioner reach an ultimate conclusion and truth.
The question that you ask yourself that "If their is God ,then will he judge us according to our deeds or beliefs or both of them" is not qualified and strong enough to put the existance of Al-mighty God (Allah) under question. If you have doubt about God,then you should ask yourself "who created you" and "where you came from".If you ask these questions to yourself ,then you will realize that you and other human beings are not the product of chance but infact are the creation and a creation cannot come into existance without a Creator.
As far as your claim is concerned that their is no Scientific evidence that proves the existance of Unseen especially God, I don't agree with it, can you please tell me what is the basis of this claim?I am pretty sure that you are making this claim because of lack of knowledge.

For information about whether non-muslims will enter Paradise or not ,please see the following ref:

http://www.understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp?type=que stion&qid=21

In this link you will find answers to your questions about the position of non-muslims after the end of the world.You are absolutely right, people donot have the right to chose the family in which they want to born, it is a game of chance but let me put into your knowledge that whether a person is born in a non-muslim or a muslim family,every human being has by default some degree of capability to judge and distinguish between right and wrong, false and truth. Their is not a single human being on earth that doesnot possess this capability.

I don't think their is anything wrong if any person asks you about your beliefs? The beliefs of other religions should be questioned but in an academic manner not in attacking manner. Some people cross the boundaries of discipline during discussions and debates which is not right. We should discuss our beliefs and Islam doesnot discourage and prohibit muslims and non-muslims from discussing each others beliefs. Islam is an open minded deen which is based on the Divine Commands and Orders of Allah(God).
Islam is not just a religion, it is more then a religion, it is a(deen)complete way of life. It guides people in darkness of ignorance and shows them the light.

I hope this is enough.

Best Regards,

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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.
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Points: 207 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2005 at 6:37pm

Dear unity1,

According to Science, Humanity is NOT created. We evolved. And quite frankly, I think its unfair to punish people who were originally born Non-Muslims. Most of us just practice what we were brought up with. In any case - there is very little evidence for the existence of God and the Hereafter.

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Syed Alwi,

You are talking about materialistic Science, If you read about the Recent Modern Scientific Research ,then you will come to know how the materialistic theories of atheists have collapsed. Modern Science is exposing the truth about the Universe and has proved the fallacies of the baseless theories of atheists.

Please read my previous post carefully and thoroughly and donot forget to see the link that I gave you in my last post.


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Well thats what you say. But as a scientist, the evidence for the Unseen is basically lacking. People like Harun Yahya are doing a disservice. The Muslim world needs more scientists. I think that religion is based on FAITH. But Science is based on empirical evidence. Anyways, its nice to see that you have lots of faith in religion.
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Originally posted by Dr Syed Alwi Dr Syed Alwi wrote:

Well thats what you say. But as a scientist, the evidence for the Unseen is basically lacking. People like Harun Yahya are doing a disservice. The Muslim world needs more scientists. I think that religion is based on FAITH. But Science is based on empirical evidence. Anyways, its nice to see that you have lots of faith in religion.

Heh - but what if the scientists are only seeing what God _lets_ them see?

How do scientists know they are seeing everything that's there, or if they are interpreting everything (or anything?!) correctly?

Just pondering...

 

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Dr. A,

So you will believe in your books and faith in SCIENCE to discover your own truth. But there are a lot of things that SCIENCE cannot explain yet they are true whether they can be proved or not. Once man thought the world was flat and that was THE SCIENCE of the day and if you did not believe that you were considered a heritic. And yet was that true? No.  Is it true that energy cannot  be destroyed? That is has to be channeled, as it were, someother way? Yes. So explain where that goes.

So what if we evolve? Is it not God that wants that? Is it not God that CREATED  that too? I have seen A LOT of people like you. I am in a scientific feild too. And the one thing I KNOW to be true is that when someone you love or care for is dying and there is nothing anyone can do and there is no science that will save them.........you will be the first one begging GOD to help you, and where will your precious books and scientific knowledge be then?  There are a lot of unexplained things in this world and out in space and no science that we have can explain all that, nor will it ever be able to even attempt to explain God.

It is funny to think that you have faith that when you sit in a chair that it will hold you up but when you cannot explain God the faith just leaves? Hope your chair is always there for you :)

 

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Dear Lameese,

Science is built on evidence and empirical data. It is always changing to fit new data - in other words it keeps improving. But religion is based on FAITH. Not proof. Religion is static. So much so that now Muslims have problems reconciling Islam with contemporary Modernity. All religions are good when taken at a superficial level. At the level of the 10 commandments. But when one religion claims a monopoly on absolute truth - and accuse other religions of being false - thats when trouble begins.

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Dr. A,

But alas, this is how it is and will be........that is just life. And religion is not static.......it is what you do with the advise and laws you have been given. I know many a fruitful, happy religious person. Maybe you need to look deeper into yourself. When you loose your beliefe system, whatever that may be, it is then that darkness and depression starts............feel familiar?

 

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