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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 4:27am
Bi simillahir rhmanir raheem

The christian experiance with science has been what you described, not the muslim one Islam's golden age was built on science, it is amazing a muslim wouldnt know this.

You should also know being a scientest your self that a scientest should be compsed, impartial,Objective, balanced in there aproach and above all not emotional otherwise there judgment is clouded by there fears expectations and other emotions. You do not exhibit any of these qualities nor is your aproach to investigate evidence methodological with out which you can not even claim to be a scientest.

Do you know what Usul al Fiqh is, we have 4 different methodological schools of thought in Islam today, we have had more in the past.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 5:35am
The world has changed since the 10th century. What has the Muslim world contributed to Science in the past 500 years ? NOTHING ! What's shameless is that al-Ghazali was totally anti the philosophers like Ibn Sina etc. And now you conveniently bring Ushul Fiqh into the issue. I have read some books on Ushul Fiqh. So what ? Where is the evidence of the absolute truth of religion ? No where. You believe. Thats all. As a scientist - I question everything. But you cannot accept that. For you Islam is truth without question. Just accept. No embarassing questions asked. If you are indeed sincere - then let the world see my questions. Why won't you ? If religion has all the answers - then whats the problem with my questions ? The truth is you do NOT have the answers to my question. And for once - you are challenged in your beliefs. Thats all there is to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 6:15am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Your ignorance lies in your beliefe that you are the only person who has questioned there faith. Who is ignorant a person who questions his faith and through sincerity finds his answers or a person who questions his faith and becomes arogant becouse the answers are not apparant to him.

No person here is shocked by your Questions if you open your eyes and see most people here are converts To islam, there are plenty of peole here who have questioned there faith. Maybe you believe you are more inteligent than them?

Maybe you should understand your nature and the consaquence of your atitude, no answer will ever satisfy you becouse you have degraded your self moraly and have become blind to seeing truth.

Your atitude is not welcome here, many before have asked questions with out causing trouble or fitnah we have many non muslims here who are regulars you are not the first or the last, nothing you say is special or amazing ive seen it all beffore and so have many of our forum members.

Is your request to suspend your account valid or are you now changing your mind?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 6:34am

Syed Alwi,

You are the first member in this forum to bring up ASEAN into the picture. Why not you just stay in your ASEAN... or to be more correct Singapore, and amuse yourself with whatever self-pleasing scientific thoughts you desire. Stop being a pest in the forum with your personal phobias.  

Your posts clearly reflect some trauma that you have experienced, or some complex that you might be suffering from at the moment. Take a break. You have exposed yourself in bad colors, shown your weakness, your arguments have no foundations, your questions are classic replicas of the ones asked by rejectors of prophets in the past. If you are looking for a challenge you need to be prepared to handle it... and you are not. You are looking for someone weaker to argue with only to show your strength in much the same way as US wants to show her superiority by invading Afghanistan (without being able to even achieve that). Once there appears a shadow of someone stronger you get cold feet changing subjects. Take a break.  

Death might be knocking your door before your nightmarish political opponents. Think of the afterlife... it is never too late to repent. Nobody is spared.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 6:35am
Originally posted by Dr Syed Alwi Dr Syed Alwi wrote:

only Islam is the accepted religion.

indeed islam is the only accepted way of life/religion/deen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 1:22pm

Too bad my topic has been demolished....I'm really glad that Rami stepped in to regulate [moderator edited].rami.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 5:35pm

Dear Israfil,

Just because I have demolished your arguments, and do not see eye to eye with you - does NOT make me a liar. Its you who cannot accept other views.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2005 at 5:43pm

Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Your ignorance lies in your beliefe that you are the only person who has questioned there faith. Who is ignorant a person who questions his faith and through sincerity finds his answers or a person who questions his faith and becomes arogant becouse the answers are not apparant to him.

No person here is shocked by your Questions if you open your eyes and see most people here are converts To islam, there are plenty of peole here who have questioned there faith. Maybe you believe you are more inteligent than them?

Maybe you should understand your nature and the consaquence of your atitude, no answer will ever satisfy you becouse you have degraded your self moraly and have become blind to seeing truth.

Your atitude is not welcome here, many before have asked questions with out causing trouble or fitnah we have many non muslims here who are regulars you are not the first or the last, nothing you say is special or amazing ive seen it all beffore and so have many of our forum members.

Is your request to suspend your account valid or are you now changing your mind?

A most insolent answer that dodges the question ! How dare you ! If you are for real - please allow my posting. Why censor it ? If indeed I am that arrogant then let the world decide. For as long as you refuse to let my posting through - then you have zero credibility. Let people decide whether its my arrogance or simply your failure to answer questions. I don't go around saying I'm smart . In fact - its your people who do that like Yusuf and Israfil. If you represent Islam - then I sincerely pity Islam ! Cancel my membership. I do not want to have anything to do with you.[moderator edited].rami.



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