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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote E.S. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:07am
Great response Israfil.

Firstly, in Christianity we do feel unworthy towards God as I'm sure
Muslims and Jews do to. That doesnt really mean we do not pray to Him
directly or the fact that we need rituals before a prayers or intercessions
of Saints. That is a choice one makes it's not required by the Church. We
can easily pray to Him wether your in the car, or at home, or in your
garden God is always ready to hear you and loves that you do.

We also believe the Saints are closer to God as you stated also. Through
there benevolent and pious life, God has given them, within there
lifetimes and even afterlife, the power of miracles. If God bestowed such
powers then it shouldnt be wrong to pray for there intercession in any
troubles we might have.

At the end of it all it really does depend on the individual of either faiths
what is idolatry and what is not. What concerns me is that Muslims are
thought that it is when Christians, who would know more about there
own religion, are stuck explaining this to them to no avail. As a child I did
receive instructions on Islam through my education with the Jesuits and
we were not thought that about Islam at all.
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Originally posted by E.S. E.S. wrote:

I've noticed Muslims and many Christians from other congregations label
Catholics as idol worshippers. A question to some. I'm sure many of you
carry pictures of your children, parents, siblings, etc.. in your wallets and at
times you find yourself kissing the picture out of longing or love. Are you
actually kissing the material? The paper? The ink? No your kissing the
representation of the person. In the early years of the Church there were
many instances where cult worship of an image such as a statue for example
were taking place. That was supressed by the leaders of the Church,
showing that these new Christians (whom recently converted from a
paganistic idol worshipping religion) still carried on there old practice only
transfering it over to Christianity. This line was specifically drawn by the
leaders and was stopped. Therefore you cannot label any Christian as an idol
worshipper.

The commandment reads:

 4"(E)You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

You shouldn't make idols of what is in heaven or on the Earth BENEATH or in the water UNDER the Earth. Of course we know our God is above, but pagan Gods are beneath, that is why the previous commandment was to not have any other Gods.

 5"(F)You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a (G)jealous God, (H)visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

DO NOT WORSHIP THEM!!! 

 6but showing lovingkindness to (I)thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Israfil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 July 2007 at 1:18am

E.S. God knows the minds and intentions of every creature from the great to the minute. I too feel unworthy before God that is why I hardly quote scripture. In the past when I was first here I used to but I don't because number one I'm no scholar in the Qur'an and number two I may misinterpret a verse. That is why it baffles me to see some Christians quote the Bible and in between stating their opinions use Hebrew words in conjunction to their opinions like when they talk about the Sh'ma (or sometimes pronounced Shema) they, somehow, make elohim to refer to Jesus someway and Echad (which literally means one in Hebrew similar to the Arabic word ahad) to mean a trinity.

See with this all this boil down to is interpretation



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