((Haven't they have sold off all the big utilities and pocketed the loot,the steel mill's sale to the Indian Mittal's conglomerate ))) The above statement by sign*reader is a blantant false hood.

The actual facts are as follows.

Around 19 parties had filed expressions of interest for Pakistan Steel. Nine were pre-qualified of which eight conducted due-diligence exercise and six of them formed two competing consortiums. Those who now say that the accepted bid is low have had their chance to offer more. If they did not do it, when every one was free to do so, they do not have a cause for complaint.

The consortium, made up of Russia's Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works Open JSC, Saudi Arabia-based Al-Tuwairqi Group of Companies and Pakistani firm Arif Habib Securities, made a bid of $362 million for a 75 percent stake in Pakistan Steel Mills at an auction on March 31.

The choice for the government was clear - either invest another $800 million or sell it and let the buyer take care of fresh investment. It rightly chose the latter course.

The apex court had declared as invalid steel mills� transactions on March 26, 2006 by saying that its privatisation was conducted in haste and in a non-transparent manner.

After the court�s decision,  the government took the matter to the Council of Common Interests (CCI) which after having been reconstituted reaffirmed the privatisation of the Mills on August 2, 2006.

Steel Mills� transaction has started afresh as directed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan.The process  has again begun with the issuance of Initial Public Offering (IPO) to be followed by its strategic sale to a potential investor.

The economic benefits of privatization  far outweigh its evils in the  long term and the govt of pakistan is trying to reap its benefits by privatization as is the practice of every thriving capitalist economy of the world.

Syed,

You did not answer me..

Please be patient, my morshed isn't here to answer anyone, he is here with a sermon. Now, you can sit down.

how do you know that the Palestinians did not engage in peaceful protest and civil disobedience..

I suppose, you don't understand or haven't read his posts with just a wee bit of care. His solution is for the Pelestinian Refugee issue. Should I underline it for you? When did he touch the intifada or anything else?

Do you believe everything that the mainstream press tells you?

Nope! That's an absolute rumour. My morshed gets all his scripts direct from the State Department.

You talk about the "ummah" as if we are all in any power to do anything about world conflicts. If that were true there would be no war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc.

Now be honest, if you ask such questions, who will answer you? Also, tell me, what's the harm in performing a great sermon? 

Also, have you ever been to Palestine? Just curious.

Now I know why my morshed chooses to steer clear of people like you! You are curious? you are terribly intelligent, in fact, tu eres muy peligrosa (you are a very dangerour femle person) - very very very bad for our sermons tour.

Its easy to be an armchair quaterback.

Ever been dead bored in your life? with no one paying any attention? and having no clues about the realities of life? What do you know of armchair quarterbacks?

Why don't YOU head over thre to help these people. You talk like no one else is doing anything. How in the world do you know??

People? You mean these Palestinian Refugees? I watch Fox news, regularly, with my morshed and there has never been nada about any people doing anything about anyone.

You must be like all those other right wing extremist liars.

For all those misguided individuals and rightwing fanatics 

So, Morshed, anyone who doesn�t agree with us turns into rightwing fanatics!

The peace treaty of al-Hudaybiyyah is a clear example of this, when the Prophet agreed to every demand his antagonists made on the sole assurance that peace would subsequently prevail.

Have the antagonists detailed any terms of this Great Peace?

The above statement by sign*reader is a blantant false hood.

Really? What do you know about Sign Reader?

Other than the sheer fact that he doesn�t happen to be on the 90 approved list?

The actual facts are as follows.

It would be some miracle to know where you got these facts from?

The apex court had declared as invalid steel mills� transactions on March 26, 2006 by saying that its privatisation was conducted in haste and in a non-transparent manner.

Thank you for these words.

syed123 wrote: Gen Pervez Musharaff is not a qadiayani.This is false propaganda and lies being spread by the very same forces who once accused the great poet and thinker Allama Iqbal and also qaid e azam of being a qadiyani. I challenge any body to put forth substantial evidence instead of mouthing falsehoods which is unbecoming of a muslim. According to Khabrain (July 1, 2004) then prime minister-in-waiting Shaukat Aziz said that he was not a Qadiani and all the rumours spread about his being one were false and malicious. He pronounced Al Hamdu Lillah and said that he was a Sunni Muslim and the clerics who instructed him in Islam were still alive and could vouch for his not being a Qadiani. Shaukat Aziz is not the first man who has had to humiliate himself like this. Before him, President Pervez Musharraf also went through the same kind of self-abasement. He had to exclude the Qadianis from his joint electorates, but no one believed him. The more you say you are not a Qadiani the more the fanatics will shout Qadiani. Dozens of politicians and bureaucrats were thus put through the humiliating trial-by-falsehood in the past.

well brother syed123 wht sort of proof u need regarding musharaf and his association wid qadiyaniizm?

i think u r living in pakistan. r u? so u must know all this abt musharaff 's reality.

if u r trying to say that musharaff iz not qadiyani so may be i can believe on u but if u 'll he iz muslim i'll never believe that.

well tell me how can u say that musharaff iznt qadiyani,r u relative of him?and onething more plz dont take name of Iqbal and Mohammad Ali Jinnah with murederror musharaff.as far as iqbal iz concerned he was gr8 man ever subcontinent history known.the ppl like Iqbal use to born once in centuries but ppl like musharaff n mirza ghulaam ahmed  r available (specially now a days )everywhr.anybody can buy them at any price.they can do anything for their self intrest.

a person who attacked on mosque and disgrace the mosque,my knowledgable brother do u think he can be muslim?but i dont think so?

being a muslim do u know abt hurmat of masjid.or shud i tell u?

if anybody disgrace Quran,hijab andsunnat-e-rasool wht do u think can he be muslim?i dont think so

well for the sake argument if v accept that ghazi and his bro was ronge then u tell me

there iznt any hurmat of masjid?

thereiznt any hurmat of Quran?

there iznt any hurmat of madrasa?

there iznt any hurmat of ppl preservinG Quran and sunnah in their hearts?

there iznt any hurmat of aalims?

there iznt any hurmat of ladies specially the modest one dats wht they all ver?

our religion doesnt allow even to kill the children and women of our enemies then how can v justify killing of our own brothers and sisters being muslim they ver part of us.u ver refering others to consult with prophet's life and now i m refering u go back to Quran n Hadiths and learn wht iz hurmat of Quran,hadiths,hijab,ulmas,madrasaz and sunat-e-rasool and hafizs?

have u seen burnt Quran on ur tv?

a muslim can do this?

have u seen burnt book of hadiths?

any muslim can do this?

have u seen verses of quran under debris?

any muslim can do this?

have u seen the bullets mark on hadiths and verses of Quran written on wall of mosque and jamia hafsa?

muslim can do dat?

have u seen pages of Quran present in brook and rivulet?

any muslim can do that?

all these prove the ppl who participated in this operation along with murederror musharaff and ppl who r favouring this brutal,barbaric,ruthless and inhuman act they all dont have any concern wid islam.

if mushraff iz sincere with pakistan then he must eliminate prostitution and obscenity frmm pakistan bcoz being a knowledgable person u  must know abt qoum-e-loot and u also know that Allah destroyed them just bcoz of their obscenity.now may there iz turn of us if v wont change us.Allah wont 4give 2 things 1-obscenity 2-zulm

so mind it both things r prevailing around us.have u forgotten earthquake hitted islamabad last time but some ppl dint take lesson frm it now ppl r waiting for wht sort of torment.remeber Allah will never let zalim.He 'll ask these money makers by hooks or crooks and chracterless ppl abt each and every drop of blood.

y musharaff killed all muftis or aalims who ver back bone of khatm-e-nabuwwat movement?y musharaff omit seprate place for qadiyaniz frmm registeration form and try to include qadiyaniz with muslims?y musharaff married wid qadiyani womwn?y his son married with a qadiyani too?y musharaff iz placing qadiyaniz everywhr in pakistan?why chairman of pcb iz qadiyani?y media manager of pakistan cricket team iz qadiyani?y our prime minister iz qadiyani?y mushraff expelled 100 of ppl frmm airforce who ver inclined towards islam?y all the ppl who r appearing in media to spoil the whole generation r qadiyaniz?do u know that  knowledgeable brother 95% pakistani actors and actressess of present times r qadiyaniz?somebody told u or not?do u know all army officers and police officers r qadiyaniz?do u know 80% parlimenterians are either qadiyaniz or agha khani or secular?

iznt it making everything clear?

              well do u know the two prime ministers Mohammad Ali durani or wazir-e-ghalat bayaani(info minister) and aftab sherpao(federal minister)who were very active during this brutal operation their wives r running brothel in islamabad?do u know that?why musharaff iz having such chracterless ministers?when mushraff will attack on their brothel?well i tell u never bcoz they are mushraff 's type person they r providing mushraff everything he want.