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    Posted: 01 August 2007 at 5:28am

Assalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

First of all I'd like to thank the moderators for their hard work etc. etc. etc.

Ok, now here's the question.

Just now another one of my threads was closed: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7785& ; ;PN=1&TPN=5

Moderator peacemaker said that I had gone against the guidelines, but did not point out which.

However, it seems it was Duende who reported me, as she had accused me of spamming.

So I read the guidelines and read the part disallowing spamming, it says:

12.  Spamming of any kind is not allowed. Any response to spammers will be deleted along with the spam. This includes multiple copies (2 or more) of one message in one and/or many forums. (If this behavior is spotted several times, by the same User we may remove ALL the copies of that message, including all the responses below them.) Spamming of questions or overly large posts will also not be allowed.

13. Posting several messages at random and not responding to the generated questions or dialogue following the original posts may also be considered as spamming. Answer questions posed to you and do not avoid it by changing the topic, as long as that question does not break any of the Guidelines. If you do not know the answer, simply acknowledge this, then move forward.

 

I did not make two or more copies of one message, I made one copy. (and the rules say you must repeat this and so even if I did I should have got a warning first)

Guideline 12 says

 Posting several messages at random and not responding to the generated questions or dialogue following the original posts may also be considered as spamming,

But of course if you read the thread I took the time to answer all relevant (and even most irrelevant) questions before posting again.

Answer questions posed to you and do not avoid it by changing the topic, as long as that question does not break any of the Guidelines

I answered the questions and did not change the topic and continued posting about Iran USA relations. And the question does not break any guidlines that I know of.

 

The same moderator (peacemaker) also deleted my posts on another thread: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9776& ; ;PN=1

I had said nothing against the guidelines, I said Iran treats Jews well but they treat Sunnis badly. Which guidline does that break???

 

So one of my threads was closed and one of my posts was deleted. I request that the thread be re-opened and hope no moderator would repeat the same mistake simply due to recieving constant "reports" from members who are complaining not because any rules have been broken, but because they disagree with the topic.

Thank you



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"The same moderator (peacemaker) also deleted my posts on another thread:"

  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9776& ; ; ;PN=1

How do you know who deleted that? Please refrain from saying something without evidence.

Anyway, let me make your job easier. I deleted that due to violation of guidelines.

If this continues, such posts/threads will be deleted further. Nobody will be an exception.

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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

"The same moderator (peacemaker) also deleted my posts on another thread:"

  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9776& ; ; ; ;PN=1

How do you know who deleted that? Please refrain from saying something without evidence.

you also closed the sawtulvswhisper thread which I had started to Prevent other threads from going off topic (since u Never delete Whisper's off topic posts on my threads)

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Anyway, let me make your job easier. I deleted that due to violation of guidelines.

Which guideline? which rule did I violate???? Why dont you mention the rule I violated in the 2 Threads you closed, especially the "USA benefits Iran" thread.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

If this continues, such posts/threads will be deleted further. Nobody will be an exception.

I guess nobody will be an exception so long as their username is Sawtul Khilafah.

 

Please just answer this 1 question:

Which part of the guidelines did I violate on the "USA benefits Iran" thread? Please be specific.

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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

"The same moderator (peacemaker) also deleted my posts on another thread:"

  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9776& ; ; ; ;PN=1

How do you know who deleted that? Please refrain from saying something without evidence.

Anyway, let me make your job easier. I deleted that due to violation of guidelines.

If this continues, such posts/threads will be deleted further. Nobody will be an exception.

Peace

 

Peacemaker! what a name

Why not explain to him what guidelines he voilated?. Your talk is very scary.  One moderator did to me same before. No explaniation ........follow guidelines. just direct orders!!! I thought you owe to him real explaniation.

BTW, do you guys funded by current Saudi Regime so you adopt their way of doing business: don't ask ........istarih?!!!!!!!  follow the sheikh!!!

 

 

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Originally posted by Abu Mujahid Abu Mujahid wrote:

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

"The same moderator (peacemaker) also deleted my posts on another thread:"

  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9776& ; ; ; ; ;PN=1

How do you know who deleted that? Please refrain from saying something without evidence.

Anyway, let me make your job easier. I deleted that due to violation of guidelines.

If this continues, such posts/threads will be deleted further. Nobody will be an exception.

Peace

 

Peacemaker! what a name

Why not explain to him what guidelines he voilated?. Your talk is very scary.  One moderator did to me same before. No explaniation ........follow guidelines. just direct orders!!! I thought you owe to him real explaniation.

BTW, do you guys funded by current Saudi Regime so you adopt their way of doing business: don't ask ........istarih?!!!!!!!  follow the sheikh!!!

 

 

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Assalamu Alaikum,

Since Brother Sawtul Khilafah started this thread to seek clarification about his concerns, it would be inappropriate to meddle in this thread by you, and let the moderator(s) deal with him. It is also impolite to come in between in this manner.

You were warned couple of times in the past and it was expected that things would be better with you, insha Allah, but it appears that you tend to mock at what was done.

It is not the way believers should interact! In future, please don't interrupt in such issues:

14. The "Comments and Complaints" section is not a discussion forum where all Users may take part. Only the concerned User, with the original complaint (topic starter), and IC Moderators/Administrators should take part in conversations so that the complaint can be appropriately resolved. Besides, if a complaint is also shared by many others, dealing with it would automatically help others as well. For example: If 50 people have the same complaint, responding to the original post of User (topic starter) would obviously address all concerned Users. Moderators should be addressed respectfully and complaints should be made politely.

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589& ;PN=1

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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

 Since Brother Sawtul Khilafah started this thread to seek clarification about his concerns

So where's the clarification?

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Assalmau Alaikum,

Brother Sawtul Khilafa,

I hope that you would respect my time because I really feel short of it at times, and wish that I had more of it. Moreover, it is a blessing of Allah, and I don�t want to waste it in any way. . . .

With that said, I would address some issues here, insha Allah, and hope that you would take part in that attentively and intuitively:

Many times we tend to say or do things thinking that that is right, but that is not. I asked you in my first post in this thread as to how you knew that I had deleted that. Your response was:

"you also closed the sawtulvswhisper thread which I had started to Prevent other threads from going off topic (since u Never delete Whisper's off topic posts on my threads)."

Look at your response, brother. You are creating more problems now by saying that no action is ever taken on Whisper�s violating posts. How do you know that again? Now, you failed to answer my query and created more problems along the lines. The best thing for you was to say that you were sorry that you did that; you see, I politely admitted anyway that I had deleted.

The message is simple: don�t speak anything about anyone without evidence; a baseless canard or malicious misrepresentation of any entity is not acceptable here.

You are a senior member, who has been here for more than a year, with more than 450 posts; therefore, you should be aware of guidelines that are in easy-to-understand mode. Anyone with a basic English language proficiency should understand that. If you are not sure about any rules after going through them, please ask one of the moderators to explain to you.

There have been many violations in your posts�spam is one of them. You keep coming at Shia-Sunni divide very often in spite of warning thread in Politics section that any inflammatory post will be deleted. See, for example, in the thread where posts were deleted, original topic was posted about freedom enjoyed by Jews in Iran. You get in there, and start posting on how Iran discriminates Sunnis there. What is the relevance? What do you want to achieve with such posts in that thread?

I cannot comment on your intention, but such posts, posted frequently, are likely to cause anarchy here. Shia-Sunni divide requires bridge-building by interaction and dialogue�please take part in intra faith section in order to achieve that noble objective.

Once again, the warning thread in the Politics section should always be kept in mind while posting there. Just because you don�t see that a moderator takes action on someone�s post somewhere doesn�t mean that moderator is not doing the job. And it is best not to speculate on such matters since you don�t know what is going on behind the screen. Actions are routinely taken on wide ranging issues, and you may not know them.

Issues of personal nature should be discussed and resolved by PMs, and please avoid using the public space to address those private matters.

Threads are closed for variety of reasons: diversions from the main topic, slander and misrepresentation of a fellow member, personal attack, unnecessary argument, discussion going in circles, spam etc. The threads may be closed for one or more reasons where a topic starter may or may not be involved.

In any case, if you have any concern, you are allowed to report respectfully or post in this section appropriately.

Brother, it is in our best interest to comply with guidelines.

May Allah guide us all.

Peace

 

 

 

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I repeat:

Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah Sawtul Khilafah wrote:

Please just answer this 1 question:

Which part of the guidelines did I violate on the "USA benefits Iran" thread? Please be specific.

on that thread I did NOT criticize SHIISM, but only IRAN.

So you are actually implying that writing against the Government of Iran is against the rules simply because they are Shiah.

Why is it ok to write against all other countries except Iran??? Why is it ok to write against Sunni groups and Governments but somehow it is "inflammatory" to say anything about Iran, even though I always provide clear evidence for everything I say.

Im not asking you to spend a lot of time responding, I asked for one straight answer and instead you went on talking about many different things without being specific.

You also talked about spamming, I dont know if you are trying to imply that I was spamming, but I wasnt. All I did was post 3 posts in one thread, that as far as I know is not spamming because the Guideline says it is spamming if you continuously post while you havent answered other peoples questions.

Since I had answered every question and my posts were 100% appropriate and relevant, I was not spamming.

 

So the thread "USA benefits Iran" is neither "inflammatory" nor "spamming". Until you re-open at least that thread, I would continue to seriously doubt your neutrality.

You also closed the "is Bush Jewish" thread. I respect your decision there because the thread was going way off topic (though I can show you more than a 100 other threads that have gone even more off topic and have not been closed for some reason...)

Wassalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

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