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syed123

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 7:31am

I would also like to clarify my Humble position that iam not an apologist for Gen Pervez Musharaff.

Gen Pervez Musharaff was a person who came to power with sincere intentions and as the darling of the masses and at a very difficult time for pakistan .

Along the way he has had his share of scandals and political gaffes and i fully agree that the people of pakistan should hold him accountable to that.

Its still my humble belief that he is better than all the sharifs, bhuttos and mullahs within the country.

Hobnobbing with bhutto is a part of the political games manship going on in pakistan and as i said before ,this clearly exposes the poverty and paucity of quality leadership in pakistan.

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 8:50am

I once again appeal to people like SASHA KHANZADEH to desist from slandering me personally and in the due process expose the shallowness of their own personalities.

Morshed, I am the only registered mureed you happen to have on this Forum. Why would I ever slander you and specially when you have been the best fun we have had here for a good long time?

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 8:59am

Gen Pervez Musharaff was a person who came to power with sincere intentions

Morshed, please, also grant that jantar mantar with which we could access something like a man's INTENTIONS?

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 9:05am

Sorry, just one more lesson point! Why did his such noble intentions wake up, only and suddely, the morning he was sacked?

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 5:00pm

The two main leaders of Pakistan's Islamist parties only garnered seven percent between them

Morshed, thank you for this news, I was trembling with fear, with your sermons of as if they were taking over the whole planet!

Even after the Lal masjid incident the pakistani public still trusts and believes in Gen Pervez Musharraf more than the religious right wing fanatics.

If that�s the situation, why must we shout at all these people and, at times, in our scary mega fonts?

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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 5:12pm

I see Dr's first para somewhat contradicts with second para!

You are really lucky, just to find two paras in contradictions.

What about those peasants who are hit by contradictions in every two words?

The Dr sounds like a knucklehead, he is generalizing and lumping everything in one bucket.

I have requested you, on numerous occasions, to mind your language and be just a wee kind with my newfound Morshed, but you keep throwing all manners of phrases at him. It�s not his fault, his key-board that does all the thinking.

Why would the Hafsa U feed and house 4000+ students, if the gov't had same law like your adopted country to have a state funded school system

Just another example of your blatant lack of considerations, for someone who is blatantly innocent. How would he know? In fact, why should he know?

The situation in Pakistan's tribal areas is dire and deteriorating.

Please listen to me very carefully, and please don�t pull age on me, just notice mi murshado�s (my morshed�s in plain simple self baked Espaniol) innocence, he is talking of our area as if he has been there, even on some school excursion just once in his life!

Inspired by the fiery rhetoric from mosques, fanatics murder doctors and health workers administering polio shots. They blow up girls schools, kill barbers who shave beards.

I showed this one to my sobrino (nephew in real Spanish) who is visiting me, from Malakand Agency, he hasn�t stopped laughing since 8:37 this evening. He told me he wasnt laughing at my murshado, but at the Amriki script writers.

Again this lumping of diverse issues is meaningless, I think DR. being from Karachi has a bias against the people he is talking about! It is broad brush statement like Mush makes usually!

I think you are biased about my morshed, why else won�t you accept the simple straight fact that it's not his fault and it's no crime to borrow a few lines, from the State Department for a few days.

The MQM

You mean my Morshed�s Quotes Mission?

Why don't you say who ever wins in a fair election should rule?
What is your hangup?

Please hold on just a minute. He has decreed in one of his recent proclamations that:

�The People of Pakistan are responsible for all their misfortunes, by electing the wrong leaders� meaning that these buggers should not be allowed to be even seen standing next to a ballot box.

(of course, with the exception of those who come with their ballot papers marked for people on my murshado�s approval list)

That�s not a hang up.

That�s a hang you up.

Why are you beating about the bush?

Who is beating about the Bush? he is sincerely spreading his agenda.

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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 7:40am

Please allow me to make a few points:

I have always tried to stay objective in this forum inspite of all the personal attacks and aspersions cast on me.

Though some of the readers did try to delve into the topic the most interesting trend i thought was whenever there is criticism we blindly try to pass the buck and blame the supposed adversary without even trying to analyse the problem,accept personal responsiblity and try to find solutions to the the various burning issues confronting the Ummah.

We need to come out of this pessimistic and backward mindset and try to approach issues with an open and progressive outlook and analyse issues objectively.

I have also started a new post about the Causes for the decline of science in Islam.

Inspite of over a Billion muslims and some of the richest islamic countries especially in the arab world there have been no major contributions from our side in the last 100 years. I invite readers to share their opinions.

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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:18am

We need to come out of this pessimistic and backward mindset

Master, great idea! But how would I measure these peasants' mindset? Is it like this:

Those who criticise Mush - are pessimists?

Those who criticise Bush - are backwards?

Or is the other way around?

Sorry, I forgot, but will learn properly if granted articleship in your department.

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syed123 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 05 July 2007 Status: Offline Points: 131	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 7:31am
	I would also like to clarify my Humble position that iam not an apologist for Gen Pervez Musharaff. Gen Pervez Musharaff was a person who came to power with sincere intentions and as the darling of the masses and at a very difficult time for pakistan . Along the way he has had his share of scandals and political gaffes and i fully agree that the people of pakistan should hold him accountable to that. Its still my humble belief that he is better than all the sharifs, bhuttos and mullahs within the country. Hobnobbing with bhutto is a part of the political games manship going on in pakistan and as i said before ,this clearly exposes the poverty and paucity of quality leadership in pakistan.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 8:50am
	I once again appeal to people like SASHA KHANZADEH to desist from slandering me personally and in the due process expose the shallowness of their own personalities. Morshed, I am the only registered mureed you happen to have on this Forum. Why would I ever slander you and specially when you have been the best fun we have had here for a good long time?

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 8:59am
	Gen Pervez Musharaff was a person who came to power with sincere intentions Morshed, please, also grant that jantar mantar with which we could access something like a man's INTENTIONS? Edited by Whisper

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 9:05am
	Sorry, just one more lesson point! Why did his such noble intentions wake up, only and suddely, the morning he was sacked? Edited by Whisper

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 5:00pm
	The two main leaders of Pakistan's Islamist parties only garnered seven percent between them Morshed, thank you for this news, I was trembling with fear, with your sermons of as if they were taking over the whole planet! Even after the Lal masjid incident the pakistani public still trusts and believes in Gen Pervez Musharraf more than the religious right wing fanatics. If that�s the situation, why must we shout at all these people and, at times, in our scary mega fonts?

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 02 August 2007 at 5:12pm
	I see Dr's first para somewhat contradicts with second para! You are really lucky, just to find two paras in contradictions. What about those peasants who are hit by contradictions in every two words? The Dr sounds like a knucklehead, he is generalizing and lumping everything in one bucket. I have requested you, on numerous occasions, to mind your language and be just a wee kind with my newfound Morshed, but you keep throwing all manners of phrases at him. It�s not his fault, his key-board that does all the thinking. Why would the Hafsa U feed and house 4000+ students, if the gov't had same law like your adopted country to have a state funded school system Just another example of your blatant lack of considerations, for someone who is blatantly innocent. How would he know? In fact, why should he know? The situation in Pakistan's tribal areas is dire and deteriorating. Please listen to me very carefully, and please don�t pull age on me, just notice mi murshado�s (my morshed�s in plain simple self baked Espaniol) innocence, he is talking of our area as if he has been there, even on some school excursion just once in his life! Inspired by the fiery rhetoric from mosques, fanatics murder doctors and health workers administering polio shots. They blow up girls schools, kill barbers who shave beards. I showed this one to my sobrino (nephew in real Spanish) who is visiting me, from Malakand Agency, he hasn�t stopped laughing since 8:37 this evening. He told me he wasnt laughing at my murshado, but at the Amriki script writers. Again this lumping of diverse issues is meaningless, I think DR. being from Karachi has a bias against the people he is talking about! It is broad brush statement like Mush makes usually! I think you are biased about my morshed, why else won�t you accept the simple straight fact that it's not his fault and it's no crime to borrow a few lines, from the State Department for a few days. The MQM You mean my Morshed�s Quotes Mission? Why don't you say who ever wins in a fair election should rule? What is your hangup? Please hold on just a minute. He has decreed in one of his recent proclamations that: �The People of Pakistan are responsible for all their misfortunes, by electing the wrong leaders� meaning that these buggers should not be allowed to be even seen standing next to a ballot box. (of course, with the exception of those who come with their ballot papers marked for people on my murshado�s approval list) That�s not a hang up. That�s a hang you up. Why are you beating about the bush? Who is beating about the Bush? he is sincerely spreading his agenda.

syed123 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 05 July 2007 Status: Offline Points: 131	Posted: 03 August 2007 at 7:40am
	Please allow me to make a few points: I have always tried to stay objective in this forum inspite of all the personal attacks and aspersions cast on me. Though some of the readers did try to delve into the topic the most interesting trend i thought was whenever there is criticism we blindly try to pass the buck and blame the supposed adversary without even trying to analyse the problem,accept personal responsiblity and try to find solutions to the the various burning issues confronting the Ummah. We need to come out of this pessimistic and backward mindset and try to approach issues with an open and progressive outlook and analyse issues objectively. I have also started a new post about the Causes for the decline of science in Islam. Inspite of over a Billion muslims and some of the richest islamic countries especially in the arab world there have been no major contributions from our side in the last 100 years. I invite readers to share their opinions.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:18am
	We need to come out of this pessimistic and backward mindset Master, great idea! But how would I measure these peasants' mindset? Is it like this: Those who criticise Mush - are pessimists? Those who criticise Bush - are backwards? Or is the other way around? Sorry, I forgot, but will learn properly if granted articleship in your department.