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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:43am

 

 

My friend Minuteman, you seem to have jumped to the conclusion that the  maulvis are the other side of this coin now being tossed about in this air!

These poor chaps never had any run in any affairs of the state till our Americans bombed Afganistan, occupied Iraq and got the Pakistan army, firmly, placed in the "Line For Hire".

The average Pakistani has, by now, got simply fed up with his own army killing own people just for pleasing Washington.

I am sure, you must have seen a wooden machine that crushes sugar cane (gana) and extracts its juice? The grand economic miracle has put an average Pakistan, just like a gana in that press, he is being crushed by the astronomical prices of food and other items.

The generals have pushed him to where he will even accept the devil and not just the maulvis.

Sir, your general never thought of shaving the country the night before he was removed from his post. It's a mere rumour that he had some great dream! (His After Eight dreams are no longer a secret for any Pakistani in the street. They all know, by now, why all orders issued After Eight need to be reconfirmed in the morning!)

For all these years, he has struggled just for keeping his uniform. Yes, he is a great asset, for the US, not for us. And, the Pakistanis hold every single right, under the sun, to have their man in Islamabad. This man turns out to be good or he turns out to be bad is their pot to carry.

Is that fair? Or, have be become ever so addicted to dictatorships and army occupations by London and Washington proxies? 

 The above has been whispered in my ear. I can understand only part of it. The Army may be at fault. But Maulvis are no less criminals. They have opposed the rule of decent law. The Cruel laws in the country are due to the undue pressure of the Maulvis.

Nawaz Sharif may be an alternative for the Army rule. He may be good and sincere. But I can never believe that Nawaz will succeed with these Maulvis on his back side. Unless these maulvis repent and seek forgiveness for what they had been doing. The problem is thatthese maulvis even do not know the real Islam. Their beliefs seem to be anti-Islamic, non tolerant ideas.

The religion says " There is no compulsion in religion", meaning religious freedom for all faiths and protection of all places of worship. But the maulvis (They are a party in the dispute) have different views of advantages only for their own religion and no freedom for the others. The General is playing and using these bad ideas of the maulvis and trying to come up as a moderator.

The most important point about the present political turmoil in Pakistan seems to be the scene after Musharraf leaves and powers comes in the hands of the Maulvis and politicians. What will happen?? First of all the general will never give way to the politicians. But if ever it happens, then the politicians will be fighting with each other and the situation will worse.

 See the example of Taliban in Afghanistan.  Before Taliban, the religious political leaders were fighting with each other trying to get maximum power. There was lot of infighting, disgraceful activity in Afghanistan. That brought the Taliban in the field to improve things.

They had almost 90% of the country under control. But where was the right leadership?? It appeared to be an Islamic country (Afghanistan). But where was Islam??? Islam needs to be perfectly peaceful, no violence or threats are allowed. These Pathans were so good white Muslim people that if they had done no tableegh at all and had been loving and smiling peaceful people, they might have won the world over to Islam. That is my idea. Nobody need to agree to that.

Same goes for any future attempt by the religious people in any Muslim country. They are to present a perfect picture of peace even under sufferings, to the world. At the same time, they are to follow Islam in toto, if any one will let them.

 There is perfect example of respectable political activity in many non muslim countries (India, Israel, South Afrika) in front of all the Muslims. Has any one learnt a lesson of good behaviour and co-operative living from those countries. No. Not at all. Just look at all the Muslim countries. Is there any real democratic peaceful setup. Nowhere. So the Muslims need to improve themselves. If they can leave the religion alone and just try to improve the humanitarian aspect then that would bring the Muslims forward in right direction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2007 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

Paa Sign*Reader, all this time, I had sincerely taken you to be a kind man and also just a bit on our side. I had been pleading with you, for mercy for my newfound Morshed, in earnest. But, you haven�t given even a dime for all the proofs, of his innocence, I put before you.

 

And, you keep throwing such sharp, huge solid knives at him?

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Pai mere: OK as you say; I thought the old couplet applied in his case:
Phool kee puttee se kut sakta ha heeray ka jigger
Murd e naadan per kalaam e narm o nazik be asr

You take care of your Morshed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2007 at 4:49pm
Phool kee puttee se kut sakta ha heeray ka jigger
Murd e naadan per kalaam e narm o nazik be asr

Thanks for that great Bhartri Hari's pearl. Wonder if we could also google him?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2007 at 10:56pm
Yes Bro there is quite a bit on Google about BhartriHari.
As a matter of fact I was going with Dr Iqbal's couplet for the Morshed ie
Ai tair e lahooti uss rizk se mot uchhi
Jiss rizk se aati ho perwaz mein kotahi
But you know Iqbal has used BhartriHari on the start of Baal e Jibreel and it is so poignant for the situation!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2007 at 8:17am

The above has been whispered in my ear. I can understand only part of it. The Army may be at fault. But Maulvis are no less criminals. They have opposed the rule of decent law. The Cruel laws in the country are due to the undue pressure of the Maulvis.

My friend, wish it was some matter of a may be.

I also wish, it was some decent law they had opposed. In all its reality, it�s some crooks fighting crooks with better equipment, loaned by the bigger crooks, turning an innocent land, into some filthy cockpit.

Nawaz Sharif may be an alternative for the Army rule. He may be good and sincere. But I can never believe that Nawaz will succeed with these Maulvis on his back side. Unless these maulvis repent and seek forgiveness for what they had been doing. The problem is that these maulvis even do not know the real Islam. Their beliefs seem to be anti-Islamic, non tolerant ideas.

See! How these crafty services have managed to hijack the real issue and reduced it into a mirage, of maulivis versus the qomm matter! When we look just a wee deeper into the bi-scope, our sight wanders into the real scenario. All this blood was scripted, to be spent just for Saving a Uniform.

 

I know, it�s extremely sad, but what can we do when we are competing in desperation for the Banana State of the world title.

 

I respect your comments, but I may suggest, we save our breath for the real issue and it�s not about the maulvis.

But if ever it happens, then the politicians will be fighting with each other and the situation will worse.

Really? Do you mind if I address you as yaar?

Is the situation at hand any better?

 

Were I some cool, passionless man, I would have scripted a story board for, perhaps, the most interesting real life thriller, titled �In Lane for Hayr� � Punjabi way of pronouncing �In Line For Hire�.

 

I wish I also had the time for that, but please, do tell me how beautiful is the situation, with bleeding civil wars going on in two of the country�s provinces? just with the sole compliments of the general�s wisdom and brilliant policies?

They had almost 90% of the country under control. But where was the right leadership?

Is any leadership ever perfect?

they might have won the world over to Islam.

The world can be won over in a day; just hand over all the oil you have and get lost into the �other world� without a trace.

How simple!

if any one will let them.

Yes, if anyone, even their own rulers, will ever let them.

Is there any real democratic peaceful setup. Nowhere. So the Muslims need to improve themselves. If they can leave the religion alone and just try to improve the humanitarian aspect then that would bring the Muslims forward in right direction.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 August 2007 at 11:44am
Originally posted by syed123 syed123 wrote:

Inspite of all his policy gaffes the harsh  reality is    that          Pakistan at this present time has no real Viable alternative to Gen Pervez Musharaff .

 

 

well brother wht do u think abt urself?as u r happen to be most guided,unfanatic,moderate one,intellect one and most educated person.so u can be best alternative wht u think?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 August 2007 at 11:50am

MUSHRAFF IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR PERFORMING UMRA:

tumme kaddi tarbouz nahin honde

chahe tor makke le jaye

(tumme(a herb,being used in medicines, having bitter taste)cant become watermelons even if u take them to Makkah they 'll still remain tumme)

                   got it general sahab?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 August 2007 at 11:08pm
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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