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"Well, you didn't specify he would be verbally called by those literal titles.  You just indicated that he will fill those roles in the future.   But, you did indicate that he will be called (commissioned) to those titles (ranks).

I don't understand why you would say that he will never be addressed by the title of his position.  It's like saying that John Doe might accept a military commission of General, but no one is ever going to call him General."

I never said that Jesus will fulfill the role of "Eternal Father" or "Almighty God".  I said that Jesus will rule according to the Laws of Islam and will be a Muslim.  He will not rule as God, but God's servant.

I didn�t mean to imply that you did.  I was referring to this post of yours:

Jocko,

When was Jesus ever referred to as "Eternal Father" in the New Testament?  Besides that, when was he ever called "Wonderful Counselor", "Mighty God" or "Prince of Peace"? 
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You said that Jesus would have a reign of peace.  Isn�t it quite possible that he will be recognized as �Wonderful Counselor� or �Prince of Peace�?   And, many people already call him �Mighty God�.

"Who do you think the child is that Isaiah mentions?"

According to the Jewish interpretation, the passage is referring to King Hezekiah, not the Messiah. 

According to Jewish interpretation, Jesus is not the Messiah.

Even if it did refer to Jesus, it would not mean that he is God.  As I showed in my post above, there were many names/titles in Hebrew which, if taken literally, would suggest a state of divinity in the person who holds such a name/title, but their meaning is not literal but allegorical.  Hezekiah, according to the Jewish interpretation, was the "Eternal Father" because God increased his life by 15 extra years (see Isaiah 38:5).  He is called the "Prince of Peace" because during his last years as King, there was peace (see 2 Chronicles 32:23).  None of these titles mean that Hezekiah was to be worshiped.  That would have been a great blasphemy in the eyes of the God of Israel.

Do you think that an extra 15 years is enough to make someone eternal?

 Now Islamispeace, you had a point about Hebrew names. I understand that many men had God indicators in their names.

 All of the positive figures of the Old Testament were shadows, symbols, and forerunners of the Messiah to come. Hezekiah for example was a wise counselor. But you know that he made a bad mistake. Instead of dying when God willed him to he asked for an extension of life.

 God granted him 15 years. Immediately after this blessing he boasted to the Babylonians about his treasures and the prophet warned him that this would cost his kingdom terrible trouble.

Hezekiah said that as long as there was prosperity in his time he didn't care what happened after him. So you see he failed to really be the Wonderful Counselor.

 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Only Christ Himself is the Amen and the Yes to all the promises of God in the Old Testament. He is the greater Moses. He is the greater Joshua. He is the greater David and the greater Solomon.

 Hezekiah was good. But he was not as good as Jesus Christ the Son of God. He was a wise counselor. But he fell short of being the Wonderful Counselor for in the end it was revealed that he only cared for his own legacy. Only Jesus Christ is absolute for the will of God.

 Only the Son of God - Jesus was well pleasing in every possible aspect to the Father. He lived not only for the Father and unto the Father. He lived the Father Himself in a mingled and blended way. He cared nothing for Himself. He wanted everything for the Father. So He is called Eternal Father and He is the real antitype of the all the types of the Old Testament.

 Something greater than David is here. Something greater than the temple is here. Something greater than Hezekiah is here. Christ alone is totally well pleasing to God though God had many servants.

 Can you see then that all these positively named people in the Old Testament were forerunners, symbols, prefigures, and types of the Son of God?

  They may have been good in many respects. But only the Son Christ was gloriously perfect and qualified to take away the sin of the world through the offering of Himself to God.

 Islamispeace,

You know, Christianity is the only religion I know of whose followers misquote their own scripture.  Hebrews 1:7 is a direct quote from Psalm 45:6-7, which says:

 You, Islamispeace, failed to understand that if the writer of the book of Hebrews says that the verses refers to Christ that is the end of the matter. We Christians do no regard the New Testament as an error prone and faulty commentary on the Hebrew Bible. We receive it as the oracles of God like Genesis or Exodus.

 You also failed to take note of what the both the Psalm and Hebrews say:

 "Your throne, O God is forever and ever ... Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above your companions" (See Psalm 45:6,7).

 The Person being spoken to is God and has His God. This could only be True of the incarnated Son and His Father.  The God Whose throne is forever and ever has His God - "Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You ...".

Furthermore the Psalm depicts this One addressed as God with companions. As a man the Son has human companions. They also serve and obey God. However, they do not occupy the unique position as the King in His kingdom. Therefore He is anointed with the oil of gladness above His companions.

As a man Jesus had the 12 disciples as His companions. They too were men. Yet He is God become a man. So He is of them yet anointed with a special joy above all of them.

This is the utterance of the very Psalm itself.

Hebrews 1:7 is a direct quote from Psalm 45:6-7, which says:

 Which says "Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above your companions."  And Hebrews 1:9 says "You [the One addressed as O God] have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy above your partners."

  This is therefore a Man Who is God and has His God and loves righteousness to the point that His God has anointed Him with joy above His other human companions in life and partners in His kingdom. All this refers to God the Son, the Man, the God-man Jesus Christ.

 Then you say - Paul simply twisted its meaning. 

  No he did not. Under the inspiration and revelation of the Holy Spirit the writer of Hebrews quite faithfully showed us who really are in submission that the passage points to Christ.

 You write concerning Jesus being Emmanuel - God with us:

 Another self-fulfilling prophecy. Just because Matthew says that the "sign of Emmanuel" was fulfilled in Jesus does not mean that it was,

  Here we simply have a fundamental departure in each of our understandings of the nature of the Bible.  The New Testament is the Word of God - period. We do not regard it as a error filled commentary on the Old Testament. We regard it as God's speaking.

 But Christ said that we shall know them by their fruits. Neither Ahaz or Hezekiah or David or Solomon attained to the level of the glory of Jesus. They in their own ways were pointers and types leading up to the coming of the Son.

Take for example Jonah. He was a type of Christ Who was three days in the grace as Jonah was three days in the belly of a great fish. Jonah pointed to the coming Son of God. Therefore Jesus taught:

"For just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights."

 Jesus is the greater Jonah. He is also the greater Hezekiah and the greater Ahaz. Jesus the Son of God said "The queen of the south will rise up in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something more than Solomon is here." (Matt.12:42).

  It is losing case for you to insist that this or that Old Testament person was the sole point of these prophetic utterances. They were progressive pointers leading up to the Son of God - David, Solomon, Hezekiah, Jonah. even the very Temple itself:

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. But He spoke of the temple of His body. " (John 2:20,21).

This Man was the dwelling place of God on the earth at that time and God LIVED within Him as in a human temple. So He tells us "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here." (Matt.12:6).

  Islamispeace, you will repeat again and again your tactic of saying "Oh this is just speaking about Ahaz." Or "Oh, this is just talking about Hezekiah." Or "Oh, this is just talking about Solomon or David or one of the other kings of Judah or Israel."

You do not grasp that it is THEY who point to Christ the Son. - "God, having spoken of old in many portions and in many ways to the fathers in the prophets, has at the last of these days spoken to us in the Son, whom also He appointed Heir of all things, through Whom also He made the universe ... " (Hebrews 1:1)

"For as many promises of God as there are, in Him is the Yes, therefore also through Him is the Amen to God ..." (2 Cor. 1:20).

 Then Islamis peace writes :

  Rather how comical that your sadness reminds me of the tears of a crocodile. You needn't feel sorry for us. It is quite wonderful that a footenote could enlighten the student of the New Testament concerning its significance. We learn from one another. This is Christians fellowship. Perhaps no Quran's have any footnotes in them. But if there were I would not consider it a sad affair that a teacher could pass on to others some important point.

 Actually, it is quite obvious that for Jesus to lament over Jesusalem in that way that He is God incarnate. Before He was born, when they were killing the prophets and stoning those sent to Jesuralem God desired to collect His naughty children like a mother bird. Now God comes as a Man and has the same tender care.

  Save your sympathy. We're doing quite Okay to correctly understand Matthew 23:37 this way.

  Concerning insisting that the details of Isaiah 7 or Isaiah 9 have only contemporary significance goes too far with an idea that does have some truth. It is not hard to see that there was some contemporary significance to this prophetic utterances.

 But think again reader. They could not be entirely related to those contemporary people. There is NO reason to call Hezekiah the Eternal Father. That is to call Hezekiah God Himself for there forever is only one Divine Father in the Bible Who is eternal - Jehovah God. So the prophecy must point beyond him. It points to this One of Whom the Apostle John wrote:

 "No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." (John 1:18)

 Jesus, fully manifested the Divine Father. Jesus declared Him by expressing Him. To see Jesus was to see the Father. He defined God and explained God. His whole being expressed God's divine attributes within His glorious human virtues.

The Word Who was with God and was God became flesh and tabernacled among us. (John 1:1,14).  It is no wonder that His first title in Isaiah is Wonderful. Whatever is Wonderful is full of wonder. It is not easy to comprehend how God and man could be blended together in a mingled way. But this is Jesus Christ.

 He is the universal union, mingling, and blending of divinity and humanity.