Does God beget ?

  Wow, many comments to respond to.

  First yours, BMZ

Hello Jocko,

I have just one important comment to make:

There is no systemised theology in Psalms. Psalm are not prophecies. Psalms exalt and glorify God. There is no Jesus in there. Thanks

Praise only the Lord Almighty God.

BMZ

   BMZ,

        This what you have said goes against the very teaching of Jesus Himself.

         After His resurrection He appeared to the disciples. They examined Him. And He opened their minds to understand all that had been written concerning Him in the Old Testament Scriptures. This He also said:

   "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you; that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concerning Me must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

  As you can clearly see, Jesus taught that the Psalms ALSO had things written in them concerning Himself.

  But it boils down to whether you accept the word of Jesus, the word of the Apostles and writers of the New Testament or whether you are putting your trust in what someone else said about it like Mohammed.

 I put my trust in what Jesus said about it as faithfully recorded by the Evangelist Luke.

 ( I might agree with you that the truth is not tightly "systematized" in Psalms. But it is there)

 Jocko has proved that the Psalms are very much there, as shown below:

 "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you; that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concering Me must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

 Very good. We must have a good look at this verse recorded by Luke. "That all the things written in the law of Moses and Pslams concerning me must be fulfilled..." Like 24:44.

 Now let us examine these words, specially about the law of Moses. Was it written in the Law of Moses that his law will be abolished when Jesus will come? The law of Moses has been abolished by the evangelists according to the teachings of Jesus. Please show where it was written in the Law of Moses that his law will be abolished in the time of Jesus a.s. That people will start eating the flesh of swine in the time of (or after) Jesus a.s.

 That prophesy seems to have been fulfilled and all things written must be fulfilled and the law has been abolished but where was it written in the books of Moses that his law will live only upto the time of the Mesiah (Jesus a.s.). Was it promised and it is fulfilled?? How it is fulfilled by abolishing it??

minuteman wrote:    Jocko has proved that the Psalms are very much there, as shown below:  "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you; that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concering Me must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)  Very good. We must have a good look at this verse recorded by Luke. "That all the things written in the law of Moses and Pslams concerning me must be fulfilled..." Like 24:44.  Now let us examine these words, specially about the law of Moses. Was it written in the Law of Moses that his law will be abolished when Jesus will come? The law of Moses has been abolished by the evangelists according to the teachings of Jesus. Please show where it was written in the Law of Moses that his law will be abolished in the time of Jesus a.s. That people will start eating the flesh of swine in the time of (or after) Jesus a.s.  That prophesy seems to have been fulfilled and all things written must be fulfilled and the law has been abolished but where was it written in the books of Moses that his law will live only upto the time of the Mesiah (Jesus a.s.). Was it promised and it is fulfilled?? How it is fulfilled by abolishing it??

 Minuteman,

      I will try to answer your question but in relation to the topic of God's begetting. It is related to that very much. But I need time.

     It is not so simple that the law is abolished in Christ's coming.

    The morality of the law was not abolished. It was strengthened, uplifted, and made more penetrating down to the innermost motive of man rather than simply touching the outward action.

   The ritual part of the law consisting of symbols which pointed to the coming of Christ we abolished and replaced by Christ in His work.

  So the abolishing of the law is not a simple matter. As I am sure you know Jesus said:

  "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Until heaven and earth pass away, one iota or one serif shall by no means pass away from the law until all came to pass." (Matthew 5:17,18)

  Yet at the same time we the Apostle Paul writing:

 "[Christ] Abolishing in His flesh the law of the commandments in ordinances, that He mght create thetwo in Himself (Jews and Gentiles) into one new man, so making peace" (Eph. 2:13).

 And we see Jesus breaking the law of the Sabbath and going against other traditions of the Jews. To deal with this matter takes more than a simple paragraph's discussion. So I will not try to briefly deal with it.

 Exept that the Old Testament said that in the new covenant God would impart something living into man's being. And this living law would cause God to have a people. Here is where we see God promising to replace the old law with a new law of life written into the inner being of His people:

 "Indeed, days are coming, declares Jehovah, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by their hand to bring them out from the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was their Husband, declares Jehovah.

 But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares Jehovah. I will put My law within them and write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they will be My people.

And they will no longer teach, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for all of them will know Me, from the little one among them even to the great one among them, declares Jehovah, for U will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jer. 31:31-34)

 Those who will not read my quotes from the Bible will miss out.

  In the new covenant to come God will impart His life into man. He will dispense His Spirit into man. He Himself will come to live in man and be a law of life.

 God becomes a man in Jesus the Son of Man / the Son of God. He lives a perfect life on earth and dies a vicarious death for the sins of the people. Those who believe into Christ will have their sins forgiven and forgotten by God. God looks upon them as if they had never sinned. In fact they were punished for thier sins in Jesus Christ on His cross.

 Then He resurrects and becomes the indwelling Spirit of life imparting the law of life on the inside of man's being. "For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death" (Romans 8:2).

  He Himself become the law inscribed "organically" into us by His mingling Himself into our being.

 So, my dear Moslem friends (and dear enemies), when you read "I will put My law within them and write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they will be My people ...  for all of them will know Me..." in Jeremiah you must understand that that is what Jesus is doing when He says:

" ... he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him" (John 14:23).

 The writing of God's law into our hearts is His sending the Spirit of the resurrected Jesus into us with the Father to make an abode within us.

 God writes Himself into the saved ones. God imparts His life and nature into the saved ones. God dispenses His life into the hearts of the saved ones.

 This inward dispensing of the Triune God - the Father and the Son as teh Divine "We" as the Holy Spirit of life, the Spirit of reality, is the new covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

It abolishes the older way of justification by keeping the commandments in ordinances of Moses.

 Now please recall that from the creation of man God desired that man would eat of the tree of life. This signified the taking of God as life into man. So even before sin came in God desired to impart Himself into even a good man.

 God simply wants to mingle Himself with man. God wants to be expressed from within man and have man live out from Him in a harmonious life union.

 When we look carefully at Jesus Christ we see this desired union and mingling of divinity and humanity.

You have responded to others before me when I offered you my response. It appears you have a better time arguing with other based on the Bible rather than dialetical discussion. Anyway no need to respond it appears that you run from discussion and to think I had hope you would be the one to stand up to a giant and discuss this.

   Of course I argue with you about salvation based on the Bible.

   I don't argue about my faith based on the American Constitution or the teachings of Sigmund Freud or the philosophy of Socrates or the science of Albert Einstien or the Quran of Mohammed or the politics of Plato or anything else.

 If the arguement is about the Christian faith then you can expect that I will argue based on the Bible. That is where I derive my faith from.

I don't think I have ignored anyone completely.