Does God beget ?

 

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Here we see that Jesus is the only begotten son. But you see that there is a 1. One begetting  and the other number 2. The begotten. Both are gods. So two of them are here. Two gods. One god is begetting. The other god is begotten. Both cannot be the same. Please explain.

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      We believe the words of the Bible. They always lead us to partake of God and to come to God.

      We believe that to use the Bible without coming to God is a vanity. Our reading of the Bible always has as its aim that we would partake of God Himself.

      Now in the words of the Bible there are some things difficult to understand. Even the apostles and prophets agree. Thought we can count on such words to be true, since they are of God, we cannot always fully understand them. We must be as the Psalmists who said:

  "O knowledge too wonderful for me! It is so high; I cannot attain it" (Psalm 139).

  In this Psalm David confesses that understanding how God knit his sinews together and caused him to be formed in the womb of a woman is such high knowledge that it is "PELEH" of wonderful. He cannot attain to it. Even God saw each element of his physical substance when it lay dormant in the earth.

  Now this Hebrew word translated "too high" in the RcV is also translated "wonderful" elsewhere in the Scripture.

  "For a child is born to us, A son is given to us; And the government is upon His shoulder;

 And His name will be called Wonderful [PELEH] Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace..." (Isa. 9:6)

  Remember now what David wrote using the word PELEH - "O knowledge too wonderful for me! It is so high; I cannot attain it" (Psalm 139).

   How the one and only Mighty God could be born as a child is knowledge too high for me. It is wonderful. It is PELEH. It is difficult to comprehend with my limited mind. Isn't God not the Creator of all? How then could He become a little child? Yet we do not rebel against the word of God or twist away its meaning. We simply call His name what He essentially is "WONDERFUL". He is full of wonder.

  Even more PELEH is how the Eternal Father could come to us as a given Son. The Son is the Eternal Father given to us. This too is WONDERFUL [PELEH].

  This word for "WONDERFUL" and "TOO HIGH" is also found in connection with the Angel of God asking Monoah how he could inquire about his name:

  "And the Angel of Jehovah said to him, Why do you asl about My name, since it is wonderful?" (Judges 13:18)

  This Angel of Jehovah must have been the Son of God before He was born of the virgin. He was the Word of God and the Messenger or Angel of God Who is identified with God Himself many times in the Old Testament.

  Again I believe the word is translated "too marvelous" in Genesis 18 when God assures Abraham that the aged Sarah will have a son. For Sarah had laughed at the impossibility of bearing a child in her old age:

 "And Jehovah said to Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I indeed bear a child when I am old? Is anything too marvelous for Jehovah?" (Gen. 18:13,14).

 So now we have you and Israfil similiarly mocking and laughing at JasperStone and myself and others because we believe that this Wonderful One is the Eternal Father and the Son of God. As Sarah laughed you also laugh with smugness and pretended pity.

 But you need not pity us who believe in the Triune God. We cannot explain fully this Wonderful One. Such knowledge is TO HIGH. We cannot attain to it. But we do know that nothing shall be TOO MARVELOUS for Jehovah God. He has come to give Himself "unto us," and we accept Him in faith with thanksgiving.

  God does not demand of us that we be able to explain Him. He commands us to believe in His Son Jesus Christ. I would not say that you should wait until you understand the Trinity before you are redeemed by the death of Christ and enlivened by His resuretion life. I certainly didn't wait for full understanding of the Trinity. And even now I find it hard to reconcile some statements.

 But the Lord has told us to come as a little child humbling ourselves. The proud will continue to mock assuming that they are too smart to be cleansed of their transgressions by any Son of God.

  I will be away for a few days. I will not be able to write until a few days from now.

 

Edited by Jocko

Israfil wrote: Jocko get over yourself... Seriously quit acting like you're some victim. The fact of the matter is the Trinity is a contradictory concept. God birthing himself is contradictory God praying to himself is contradictory. Jocko as a Christian you are unknowledgable of your own religious concepts and it is quite obvious. I've met other Christians who have explained this differently. Unless you have some sort of theological seminary experience behind you, you are unable to explain God begetting and the trinity. I think you need a new subject to discuss because you are unable to explain this concept. Saying God begetting along with half way explaining the Trinity only to go back and say you don't understand are the most ridiculous explanations. If you cannot explain something don't describe because you are in fact explaining it. I guess I'm apart of the proud one who will be doomed for hell....lol Honestly this is one of the reasons I left Christianity, the philosophy is a joke.

Israfil,

I did not know the reason. Thanks for telling.

I read an article but cannot recollect where. It was on the internet. It was in defence of trinity and the article mentioned that God flung a chunk of his own into space and that was the stationing of the holy spirit. God then flung far another chunk close to the domain of Earth and that was the stationing of Jesus.

If you or other friends have read similar, please let me know.

Salaams

BMZ 

BMZ,

I never found Christianity by itself as a joke I just found certain principles ot be a joke i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As a kid I was confused as to what God was, was it Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or God? Islam simplified things and I felt that without going through "the middle man" I was able to communicate directly to God. Islam is primarily about mankind's direct communication with God and personal accountability. I like that. I also never believed, as a kid, that simply being baptized washes away sins becauses such rituals in my opinion. I believe crimes committed by some Christians are justified using that ritual i.e. "I was saved and you're a heathen therefore I have a right to kill you"

 

Israfil wrote: God birthing himself is contradictory God praying to himself is contradictory.

Why do we need both rest and exercise? Don't they cancel each other out such that doing neither is the same as doing both? I think the need of both rest and exercise is self contradictory. I think I'll reject both since I can't understand the philosophy of it.

I'll tell you a story. I used to be in a hardware technician. Many years ago I used to fix VCRs. There are tens of thousands of circuit nodes in a VCR. How does one find where the defect is? I had these rules of thumb that I used to eliminate large sections of the circuitry in order to narrow down the part I actually had to test to find the problem. Many times my rules of thumb would contradict each other. In fact, sometimes I could use the rules of thumb to eliminate all the circuits. I proved that the VCR didn't have any problem, yet it did. I gradually learned that often when I thought something was a contradiction, in actuality my understanding was deficient. This has helped me since I was a young man.

Once again, you are projecting your 3-dimensional space-time mentality onto God and finding contradictions.

Israfil wrote: If you cannot explain something don't describe because you are in fact explaining it.

Then please explain to me exactly in detail how your brain works. If you can't, then I don't believe that you experience thinking.

You see, the Triune God is not limited by your limited mind. He is real and eager for you to know Him by opening to Him. I'm sorry that you were in Christianity without ever meeting Christ. I don't care if you ever come back to the "anity", but I pray that you meet the person of Jesus Christ.