Does God beget ?

 Even though the subject is getting / begetting, but the death of Jesus is also being discussed. I request attention to the visit of an angel to the wife of Pilate telling her that it will not be good for her if Jesus died. So she sent the message to Pilate, her husband when he was sitting at the judgement table, that he (Pilate) should have nothing to do with that pious man (Jesus).

 I have to explain this. It shows clearly that God wanted to save Jesus. If once this is established (that is the will of Allah) is to save Jesus, then Jesus can never die on the cross or in any other way of the opponents. The matter can be looked upon by a good example from the bible NT. Mathews 2:13-15.

 Matth. 2:13,  An angel of the Lord appeared unto Joseph (the carpentar) in a dream, saying, "Arise and take the young child (Jesus) and his mother and flee into Egypt and be thou there untill I bring thee word. for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

 This is a message from Allah to Joseph the carpentar. He believed and acted upon it at once. He took Jesus and Mary to Egypt and remained there for nearly 12 years. That was a plan of Allah to save / protect Jesus.

 Now an important question arises here. Could Jesus die there in Egypt due to any cause, illness or snakebite etc. I ask the evangelists to please give me an answer. Could Jesus have died there in Egypt due to any cause??

 I believe not. Once Jesus had been sent to Egypt to save / protect him and to let him live, how could he die there in Egypt at all !!! That would go against the divine plan. Please give your opinion and also connect it with the dream of the wife of Pilate and the result.  mm

BMZ wrote: Angel wrote: Is it really that hard to believe that Jesus could�ve survived the cross, there was 3 people, two died and one survived, Jesus was apparently only on the cross for a few hours before taken down unlike the other two. Angel, You have written such a good post that I would like to discuss item by item. Jesus was there on the cross, according to gospels, for only a few hours. His legs were not broken like the legs of the other two because the order was not given. Pilate was told that Jesus had died and Pilate expressed a great surprise. He did not order any stabbing with a spear or sword to get his death confirmed. But the writers add the points to refer to an unnecessary prophecy under which they could claim that he was pierced for everyone's sins. Disicples are absent from the scene. Only the disciple, reported as one whom Jesus loved, is mentioned but the writers do not tell us if he stayed throughout. Who were the people who really stayed at the alleged killing till death? Only the M ladies and other ladies, not a single man. To whom the body is given? Not to his dearest and sobbing mother or relatives but to an unknown outsider about whom no one had heard of earlier. He asks Pilate and Pilate was ready to hand over at his request, perhaps as agreed earlier. The man takes him, lays him in the tomb, shuts the door himself without anybody's help and goes off. There is no grieving by him, while the sobbing ladies sit there grieving. And the next morning, the tomb is found empty only by the ladies who stuck with Jesus through his thick and thin. BMZ

Reason for editing: correction of spelling.

  We didn't get too far did we Israfil?

  The changing of Abraham's name, the changing of Jacob's name, and the changing of Simon's name to Peter all are deeply meaningful.

 To change the name means to transform the person.

 God told Abraham that He Himself - God, was Abraham's exceeding great reward - (Gen 15:1).

  I have no argument about the monotheism of the Old Testament. The monotheism is in the New also but you do not believe so. However, in the revelation of the Old Testament is God changing a man's being through transformation by -- GIVING HIMSELF TO MAN.

 "I am your shield and exceeding great reward"

  There is a revelation there of God dispensing Himself into man that man might reveive the highest reward which is simply God Himself. That is God GIVEN to man - GIVEN INTO man. 

  But I fear you are very closed about hearing these things. Our dialogues will probably have to come to a mutually respectful conclusion. I cannot expound well to those who are not hungry to hear more.

  What do you think was the significance of circumcision, anyone ?  Let us stay in the Old Testament for a season.

   What do these things mean that God changed a man's name was not a light and trivial matter as we would have it.

   How can the reward of God Himself be more than the reward of lands, riches, material gain, etc?

   God told the father of many nations that He, God Himself, would be Abraham's exceeding great reward.

 Has all of this nothing to do with Christ, the Comforter, the Spirit of life, the eternal life?

  May the Lord God have mercy on us to open our eyes and make us hungry for a revelation of His eternal purpose.

 And why the sign of circumcism? What does it mean that the name is changed and the skin is cut off.

 Man became united with Satan. Man needs a new life. Man needs his old nature crucified. Man needs God Himself dispensed into his being to be his shield and exceeding great reward.