Does God beget ?

      Brother JasperStone and myself both happen to be fond of the Recovery Version Bible. And we have not the slightest sense of discomfort using some of the phrases contained in its profound and extensive footnotes.

     The mingling of God and man, for example, is a near perfect way to discribe the relationship God desires to have with man.

     Besides, it is biblical from Leviticus typology of the meal offering as being a mingling of fine flour and oil.

     The fine flour signifying the pure humanity of the man Jesus. The oil representing the Spirit of God.  So we JasperStone and I may sound like the same person.

    Sometimes some of you sound like the same person to me, also. So be at peace.

Jasperstone:

You are now accusing God of irrelevant acts, and saying that discussing an act of God is arbitrary.

LOL.....Wow you have a ridiculous assumption here.

We didn't get too far did we Israfil?

Yes you did......I'm satified in the fact that you cannot answer my inquiry regarding the nature of God begetting Jesus and the nature and relationship of the Son and Holy Spirit.

Jocko wrote:     We didn't get too far did we Israfil?   The changing of Abraham's name, the changing of Jacob's name, and the changing of Simon's name to Peter all are deeply meaningful.  To change the name means to transform the person.  God told Abraham that He Himself - God, was Abraham's exceeding great reward - (Gen 15:1).   I have no argument about the monotheism of the Old Testament. The monotheism is in the New also but you do not believe so. However, in the revelation of the Old Testament is God changing a man's being through transformation by -- GIVING HIMSELF TO MAN.  "I am your shield and exceeding great reward"   There is a revelation there of God dispensing Himself into man that man might reveive the highest reward which is simply God Himself. That is God GIVEN to man - GIVEN INTO man.    But I fear you are very closed about hearing these things. Our dialogues will probably have to come to a mutually respectful conclusion. I cannot expound well to those who are not hungry to hear more.   What do you think was the significance of circumcision, anyone ?  Let us stay in the Old Testament for a season.    What do these things mean that God changed a man's name was not a light and trivial matter as we would have it.    How can the reward of God Himself be more than the reward of lands, riches, material gain, etc?    God told the father of many nations that He, God Himself, would be Abraham's exceeding great reward.  Has all of this nothing to do with Christ, the Comforter, the Spirit of life, the eternal life?   May the Lord God have mercy on us to open our eyes and make us hungry for a revelation of His eternal purpose.  And why the sign of circumcism? What does it mean that the name is changed and the skin is cut off.  Man became united with Satan. Man needs a new life. Man needs his old nature crucified. Man needs God Himself dispensed into his being to be his shield and exceeding great reward.

I know. I know, Jocko. You are slowly taking us to show that the Father also went through circumcision to feel the pain of the cut and shed own blood. 

We will then be told that circumcision was ordered as a punishment because Sarah did not believe and allowed Abraham to go into Hagar when she gave him Hagar as a wife. Sarah was supposed to have trusted God but she did not listen and daddy Abraham paid the penalty and all of us, including Jesus, have suffered the cut.

Why defend circumcision, when you don't do it while Jesus himself had it?

BMZ

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Yes you did......I'm satified in the fact that you cannot answer my inquiry regarding the nature of God begetting Jesus and the nature and relationship of the Son and Holy Spirit.

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   I don't think you are being completely honest at the moment.

   1.) Concerning the relationship of Christ to the Spirit, I have repeadtedly written that the Spirit is Christ in another form.

       I have quoted 1 Cor. 15:45 and 2 Cor 3:17. You just don't believe it and you don't experience it.

  2.) Concerning the begetting of the Son of God as an eternal matter, I said that at present I could not explain that. I wrote that weeks ago.

        It is clear that the Son of God before incarnation is eternal.

         Oh yes, I did also say that as far back as we peer into eternity about the nature of the Triune God we can never seperate what He is from what He does. What He does is dispense His life into man. And for this He is a Trinity. And in His nature we see Him this way as far back into the pre-creation as we are able to see in the Bible.

 I wrote that the Father is the Source, the Son is the Course, and the Holy Spirit is the flow or the transmission of God's life into man.

        One other thing. In your talk about monothiesm you will be able to find no verse in the New Testament which speaks of more than one God as GODS.  There is no teaching in the New Testament that is not monotheism. There is the one God Who is the mysterious Triune God. There is no teaching of Three Gods.

      I assure you that my satisfaction exceeds yours because I experience and enjoy Christ as God's life dispensed into man as the Spirit.  I'd rather have this than be "dead right" about being unable to completely explain God's nature in a debate.