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Points: 3357 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 December 2007 at 3:42am

One more aspect which we needs attention is : we are n't respecting Moderators.

 Am not speaking of  Brother Peacemaker alone, but its a general statement. For every action of the mods, a question is  araised? Its not that they act, unnoticably, they do give there reason for either closure of a topic or moving it. But we question them. Why don't we put our trust in them that they act for the betterment of the site, instead of taking it personal.

 Even as members,we are to  work for the peace of IC. Remember our responsibility as a member. It has become often that most of the members question - why?  Our mods must be selected on some sound basis. They take a collective decision, as said earlier.

Moderators are human like us. They may unintentionally, take a wrong decision. Many times did Bro, Peacemaker, tell us to correct if  they are wrong. But the way we  try to correct them is wrong. Anyways, i again stress over the point of respecting the mods, and a new rule be started that the mods shud not be questioned of there decisions. If at all any member has any problem with the decision of mods, they can contact Administrators. Since, this way, creates an unncecessary chaos within the members and leads to groupism. Secondly, the complaint gives a wrong picture of the mods, which may confuse a new member.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Points: 980 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 December 2007 at 8:54am

As Salamu Alaikum

Now I will have my 2 cents.

Despite all the ups and downs at IC this is one great forum.

Insha Allah, we can work together to make it the greatest.

Salams
�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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Points: 3984 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 December 2007 at 11:16pm

One more aspect which we needs attention is : we are n't respecting Moderators.

One thing you should remember here is from the comments that were previously posted, most of the comments are not disrespecting moderators rather, erbalizing their complaints on what is and is not fair. A point you may not understand is constructive criticism is not dehumanizing someone but questioning certain decision making. You cannot make the same mistakes and call it human nature, you may want to call it a problem, but this is not directed towards brother peacemaker but in general.
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Points: 2473 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2007 at 1:24am
Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

One more aspect which we needs attention is : we are n't respecting Moderators.

 Am not speaking of  Brother Peacemaker alone, but its a general statement. For every action of the mods, a question is  araised? Its not that they act, unnoticably, they do give there reason for either closure of a topic or moving it. But we question them. Why don't we put our trust in them that they act for the betterment of the site, instead of taking it personal.

 Even as members,we are to  work for the peace of IC. Remember our responsibility as a member. It has become often that most of the members question - why?  Our mods must be selected on some sound basis. They take a collective decision, as said earlier.

Moderators are human like us. They may unintentionally, take a wrong decision. Many times did Bro, Peacemaker, tell us to correct if  they are wrong. But the way we  try to correct them is wrong. Anyways, i again stress over the point of respecting the mods, and a new rule be started that the mods shud not be questioned of there decisions. If at all any member has any problem with the decision of mods, they can contact Administrators. Since, this way, creates an unncecessary chaos within the members and leads to groupism. Secondly, the complaint gives a wrong picture of the mods, which may confuse a new member.



Salaams dear brother,

I hate to repeat myself, naw, I actually like it sometimes.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That's how I feel the moderators behave a lot of the time.

Peace
Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Points: 2555 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2007 at 1:52am
seekshidayath,

Respect is earned, not a benefit of position.  I do not respect my own President.  Why?  His actions do not make him worthy.

I do not give or take away my respect based on titles.  The farmer and muckrakers are the same to me as the Kings and Billionaires. 

I am lodging a complaint over numerous and repeated actions.  I in fact respect many of the moderators here and the hard work they do.  However, there is a fine line between moderation and censorship.  Moderation is a middle ground.  A MODERATOR is someone who takes a neutral stance and works to find the common ground that works for the majority.  Constantly making arbitrary decisions based on one's personal opinion and interpretation is not moderation.  Its censorship.

I complain because its the same over and over.  Threads moved and/or closed without just cause.  Posters warned that they cannot post in certain forums, but the thread that they were an active participant in was moved to that forum out of one they could participate in.  That is not fair.  To move a thread into a forum after the conversation is well on it way and then chase out all the posters who don't fit in that category is wrong.

I personally feel that Peacemaker has been condescending to me.  In this post and others.  I feel this is because I am not Muslim.  Well, I feel that if you are going to be condescending and insult someones intelligence because they belong to a particular group.  You deserver to be called on the carpet about it.  Just because I'm not Muslim does not make me st**id.  I have 6 years of college under my belt.  I speak 2 languages and read one book a week in addition to my scriptural studies.  I'm tired of him treating me like a child because I've never said Shahada.  Maybe its because I'm a woman.  I don't know, all I know is its getting to the point were I will not be silent on the innuendo and responses to me.
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Points: 3357 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2007 at 9:20am

Hi Angela,

I did not want to get dragged into your politics, but today am direct to you.   I shall remind you again that Brother peacemaker did say us many times that if he is wrong anywhere, to let him know

And also go thru these lines of his from a link Angel 's thread at "Comments and complaint" section - "For Peace maker"

Assalamu Alaikum and hi everyone,

There is always room for improvement at all levels in the way one behaves or interacts with fellow human beings. As a moderator, I carry even a bigger responsibility to act in the best possible manner. Even though my intention was not and is not to hurt anybody, I apologize to anyone who might have been offended in any way.

I appreciate your concerns toward me, the moderator group, and the forum in general, and we will see, within our capacities, to figure out what is the best in the interest of all.

We look forward to making this forum a better place for all those who visit here to learn, share, and grow together.

May Allah guide us all.

And for me and most of the members here, Bro. Peacemaker is

 A MODERATOR is someone who takes a neutral stance and works to find the common ground that works for the majority.

Else we would not have got those beautiful  lines of brother peacemaker {above}  asking angel and her group to forgive. Even my threads were moved and even deleted and may be even other members must have experienced there posts too. We did not create fuss of it

Just because I'm not Muslim does not make me st**id. 

Well, is Israfil a non-muslim, that even he complained that he is targeted. Is Brother Walid a non-muslim that even i see his thread in this section. I have many more names.

Does this statement of yours not create chaos toa new members and even we members too ?

Maybe its because I'm a woman. 

Yes, since you are a woman so, did we got to read this post of yours today. Angela, you are the one of the senior most members here. If you were to be targeted as you feel, you would not have stayed ON till today at IC. I do respect you as a senior member. You must know IC well than me but today being a woman you got the tendency to be depressed soon. T

This quality of woman which i dislike is, when thet get depressed, they recall all those old sufferings , Once upon a time------- stories.

Dear Angela, please do remove this misconception that since you are a non-muslim, all these happened to you., Try to forget all that happened. And view the happening  positively. Am not judging if the decision was right or wrong, since its not my job. And as said, a decision is not from a single mod but a mutual decision. Right now, you must be in bad moods. So put off this section and cool yourselves with other threads. And see that this does n't affect your personal life too.

And i also request our all other active members of this thread, please try to minimise this problem, instead of moving it to pages and fanning this issue.

Please do remind me too if i also be amongst those. Angela, am again sorry if i were tough in my post. What to do your lines demanded me that. I wished to send this privately, but again felt even new members and other members who login here, shud not get into this trap of misconception about our mods esp Brother peace maker.

 

 

 

 
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Points: 3984 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2007 at 9:22pm
Brother Seek, before you drag my name into this please kindly use any my post references where I said I was targeted.
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Points: 2555 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:06am
Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

Maybe its because I'm a woman. 

Yes, since you are a woman so, did we got to read this post of yours today. Angela, you are the one of the senior most members here. If you were to be targeted as you feel, you would not have stayed ON till today at IC. I do respect you as a senior member. You must know IC well than me but today being a woman you got the tendency to be depressed soon. T

This quality of woman which i dislike is, when thet get depressed, they recall all those old sufferings , Once upon a time------- stories.

Dear Angela, please do remove this misconception that since you are a non-muslim, all these happened to you., Try to forget all that happened. And view the happening  positively. Am not judging if the decision was right or wrong, since its not my job. And as said, a decision is not from a single mod but a mutual decision. Right now, you must be in bad moods. So put off this section and cool yourselves with other threads. And see that this does n't affect your personal life too.



Again, this is the condescending crap I am talking about.  Because I'm a woman I get depressed.  Bah, men get depressed too.  I think more so than women.  I think women are emotionally stronger because we express our emotions and don't bottle them up.

It doesn't affect my personal life.  Once or twice, I sat silent or lodged my complaint in private.  I started this thread because its become epidemic and too common.  There comes a time when someone must speak up when those "in charge" have gone to far.

I am tired of having threads moved around like a ball under a cup.  I'm tired of threads being closed for absolutely no good reason.  And I'm tired of having an active thread yanked out from underneath people who WANT to participate in it.

You don't create a place of conversation to say...well you can only talk about what I want you to talk about...

Free speech means on this forum you don't have to pay.  I understand that.  But I see far less fighting and strife on Islamic and Non-Islamic forums that don't moderate so heavy handed as the ONE moderator on this site does.

If all the moderators were as heavy handed I would have left a long time ago.  But, its only one or two at a time who let the power go to their head.

Peacemaker can apologize and make excuses that no ones perfect.  Fine...but he needs to change the behavior and not just apologize.  The Sin is only forgiven if you don't keep sinning over and over after you've repented.
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