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Tariq
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Why are two witnesses who are women, equivalent to only one witness Answer: 1. Two female witnesses not always considered equal to one male a) While making a will of inheritance, two just persons are required as �Oh you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) b) Two persons endued with justice in case of talaq. �And take for witness two persons from among you, endued with c) Four witnesses are required in case of charge against chaste women �And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce [Al-Qur�an 24:4] 2. Two female witnesses is equal to male witness only in financial �Oh! ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions 32 * For more Queries contact: [email protected]
For instance, suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular Similarly in financial transactions, two men are preferred. Islam expects men to 3. Two female witnesses equal to one male witness even in the case 4. Qur�an clearly specifies that one female witness equal to one male �And those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in 33 * For more Queries contact: [email protected]
Many jurists agree that even one witness of a woman is sufficient for the 6. Female witnesses are preferred in some cases The seeming inequality of male and female witnesses in financial transactions |
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believer
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In Islam don't there have to be 4 men witnesses to the one rape victim to prove the rape? In this case the woman's witness carries no weight.
Edited by believer - 12 May 2008 at 6:04pm |
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Tariq
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I begin with name of allah most merciful and beneficient
In islam to prove a rapest either men or women for the punishment of HAD or in arabic حد which literally means boundary but in islamic terminolgy its a punishment which is given to islam in comparison with jewish law of committing adultry, and it is punishment which requires proof for either man or women which is atleast four men for proving that this man or women is eligible for this punishment , Now what about punishment except HAD , It does not mean he or she who has commited rape will not be punished without four witness a justice could say put the walll over him for his serious crime put him in celll for whole life and he could be dead
but according to sunnah of prophet it is not acceptable for a women no matter how many they are because may they are probabilty that the womens are taking side of female victim or probabaly they are supporting there objectives or may be they want revenge or may be somethhing else ,And in most of the case in sociological life womens are not to be found as helpers or witnesses in locations where rape has occured it is a probability but for an instance if she is a witness she may be scared of or forced to give false statements as it happens mostly in feudal societies but in man case same is the situation if man has been a target it also requires four witness
The HAd is a special punishment for man and women in which he or she is grounded and stoned but it requires proof to give this level of punishment but other punishments are still in the hand of JUSTICE or JUDGE
this is deep jurisprudence even most muslims dont tdiferentiate between HAD and other judiciary made punishments
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Saladin
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In Islam don't there have to be 4 men witnesses to the one rape victim to prove the rape? In this case the woman's witness carries no weight.
Four men watching a woman get raped and not doing anything to save her, end up as accomplices to the rape. Rape comes under the Hirabah Laws, ie. Laws for highway,armed robbery,causing corruption in the land; punishable by death. Rape is considered as a woman robbed of her chastity and dignity with physical danger and hence capital punishment.
There is a hadith in Abu Dawud, where the Prophet(pbuh) did not consider witnesses for a rape and ordered the perpetrator to be stoned to death. Edited by Saladin - 16 May 2008 at 8:19am |
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Tariq
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Assalam o alaiqum,
Brother i hope you will recieve my message in best of your health.
Actually the matter of hudood laws and their punishments require proofs for giving a punishment of death and stonning to death is among Hadood laws.
The hadith which you have quoted from sunnan abu daoowd is very weak in line of narrator or in arabic dhaeef, which is not acceptable inLaws and obligations of shariah.
This is a big debatic issue why that hadith is not acceptable and what is the condition of weak hadith (the hadith which has transmitters and narrators who are not authentic or appropriate) in narrating.
For that you have to Study Sciences of hadiths, Rules and Principles of Jurisprudence and Biographies and historical books on narrators and transmitters which is among the miracles of islam to be found and preserved till this day.
Alhamdu lillah
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believer
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I agree Saladin!!-Four men watching a woman get raped and not doing anything to save her, end up as accomplices
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Actually you agreed four men watching a women being raped , and at the same time they caught him as well, no matter how much he raped her more or less the condition will remain the same , and they brought him to justice to justice made the execution of the rapist either stoning him to death if hes already married person and if not then 70 strokes of hard rope .
If there was one man the rapist had the chance to run away or beat him in two persons there is also a chance , in three there is also a bit chance and in four it is almost impossible to escape as well conformatory of the incident.
End of the problem
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BELIEVER AND SALADIN WHAT IF A WOMEN ACCUSE BOTH OF RAPING HER AND YOU BOTH DIDNT ACTUALLY DONE IT SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE PUNISHED WITHOUT PROOF. THIS IS ALSO A MAIN RESON FOR THE REQUIRMENT OF WITNESS |
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