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Fuhad
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Salam To: All 1- Hinduism offers no eternal Hell whereas in Islam non-believer will abide in Hell for eternity. 2- Islam claims it only has the Ultimate Truth and Slavtion is achieved only through it unique adherence while Hinduism acknowledges that everyone and anyone has the truth and anyone can achieve Salvation. With reference to the above two points, it seems Hindusim is a more tolerant, pluralistic faith as a whole. However Islam seems to be violent, lacks pluralism. It will better to restrict the discussion within the context of comparative religious studies. Arguments against Hindusim based on riots in Gujrat or their right wing issues will not help us understand both these religions teaching ( i.e their doctrines, dogmas etc). Hinduism is gaining a significant number of converts in West and suprisingly muslims tend to brush it aside. When answering try not to be emotional from an Islamic perspective or dont use the Salafi or Wahabi ( ultra conservative approach) which rejects every notion of other Truths. Regards Fuhad
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Suleyman
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Welcome to islamicity webboard,feel free to join and share... Fuhad,first of all which religion do you believe,your words seem like you are in an intermediate area... Fuhad,please take care this book,i think you don't know so much about Hinduism; we also see that you also don't know so much about Islam;please take a look at that book, http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/hinduism/index.html Edited by Suleyman |
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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim, Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah, Fuhad, Islam is the religion sent by Allah to mankind, while Hunduism is a man-made religion. This is a sharp contrast between the two faiths. Any comparison beyond this point will be redundant. Influence of men on others, in matters lacking divine authoritiship or sanction is very common in the west, it should not surprise the muslims. If you are to argue that the Puranas and the Vedas were divine revelations, there is no proof to it. Bhagwat Geeta containts sayings of Krishna ... who is thought to be an incarnation of God, a concept strongly rejected in Islam. Maa salaama, Nausheen
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by Dr. Zakir Naik I INTRODUCTION TO HINDUISM: The most popular among the Aryan religions is Hinduism. �Hindu� is actually a Persian word that stands for the inhabitants of the region beyond the Indus Valley. However, in common parlance, Hinduism is a blanket term for an assortment of religious beliefs, most of which are based on the Vedas, the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita. II INTRODUCTION TO HINDU SCRIPTURES. There are several sacred scriptures of the Hindus. Among these are the Vedas, Upanishads and the Puranas. 1.VEDAS: The word Veda is derived from vid which means to know, knowledge par excellence or sacred wisdom. There are four principal divisions of the Vedas (although according to their number, they amount to 1131 out of which about a dozen are available). According to Maha Bhashya of Patanjali, there are 21 branches of Rigveda, 9 types of Atharvaveda, 101 branches of Yajurveda and 1000 of Samveda). The Rigveda, the Yajurveda and the Samveda are considered to be more ancient books and are known as Trai Viddya or the �Triple Sciences�. The Rigveda is the oldest and has been compiled in three long and different periods of time. The 4th Veda is the Atharvaveda, which is of a later date. There is no unanimous opinion regarding the date of compilation or revelation of the four Vedas. According to Swami Dayanand, founder of the Arya Samaj, the Vedas were revealed 1310 million years ago. According to other scholars, they are not more than 4000 years old. Similarly, there are differing opinions regarding the places where these books were compiled and the Rishis to whom these Scriptures were given. Inspite of these differences, the Vedas are considered to be the most authentic of the Hindu Scriptures and the real foundations of the Hindu Dharma. 2. UPANISHADS: The word 'Upanishad' is derived from Upa meaning near, Ni which means down and Shad means to sit. Therefore �Upanishad� means sitting down near. Groups of pupils sit near the teacher to learn from him the secret doctrines. According to Samkara, �Upanishad� is derived from the root word Sad which means �to loosen�, �to reach� or �to destroy�, with Upa and ni as prefix; therefore �Upanishad� means Brahma-Knowledge by which ignorance is loosened or destroyed. The number of Upanishads exceeds 200 though the Indian tradition puts it at 108. There are 10 principal Upanishads. However, some consider them to be more than 10, while others 18. The Vedanta meant originally the Upanishads, though the word is now used for the system of philosophy based on the Upanishad. Literally, Vedanta means the end of the Veda, Vedasua-antah, and the conclusion as well as the goal of Vedas. The Upanishads are the concluding portion of the Vedas and chronologically they come at the end of the Vedic period. Some Pundits consider the Upanishads to be more superior to the Vedas. 3. PURANAS: Next in order of authenticity are the Puranas which are the most widely read scriptures. It is believed that the Puranas contain the history of the creation of the universe, history of the early Aryan tribes, life stories of the divines and deities of the Hindus. It is also believed that the Puranas are revealed books like the Vedas, which were revealed simultaneously with the Vedas or sometime close to it. Maharishi Vyasa has divided the Puranas into 18 voluminous parts. He also arranged the Vedas under various heads. Chief among the Puranas is a book known as Bhavishya Purana. It is called so because it is believed to give an account of future events. The Hindus consider it to be the word of God. Maharishi yasa is considered to be just the compiler of the book. 4. ITIHAAS: The two epics of Hinduism are the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. A. Ramayana: According to Ramanuja, the great scholar of Ramayana, there are more than 300 different types of Ramayana: Tulsidas Ramayana, Kumbha Ramayana. Though the outline of Ramayana is same, the details and contents differ. Valmiki�s Ramayana: Unlike the Mahabharata, the Ramayana appears to be the work of one person � the sage Valmiki, who probably composed it in the 3rd century BC. Its best-known recension (by Tulsi Das, 1532-1623) consists of 24,000 rhymed couplets of 16-syllable lines organised into 7 books. The poem incorporates many ancient legends and draws on the sacred books of the Vedas. It describes the efforts of Kosala�s heir, Rama, to regain his throne and rescue his wife, Sita, from the demon King of Lanka. Valmiki's Ramayana is a Hindu epic tradition whose earliest literary version is a Sanskrit poem attributed to the sage Valmiki. Its principal characters are said to present ideal models of personal, familial, and social behavior and hence are considered to exemplify Dharma, the principle of moral order. B. Mahabharata: The nucleus of the Mahabharata is the war of eighteen days fought between the Kauravas, the hundred sons of Dhritarashtra and Pandavas, the five sons of Pandu. The epic entails all the circumstances leading upto the war. Involved in this Kurukshetra battle were almost all the kings of India joining either of the two parties. The result of this war was the total annihilation of Kauravas and their party. Yudhishthira, the head of the Pandavas, became the sovereign monarch of Hastinapura. His victory is supposed to symbolise the victory of good over evil. But with the progress of years, new matters and episodes relating to the various aspects of human life, social, economic, political, moral and religious as also fragments of other heroic legends came to be added to the aforesaid nucleus and this phenomenon continued for centuries until it acquired the present shape. The Mahabharata represents a whole literature rather than one single and unified work, and contains many multifarious things. C. Bhagavad Gita: Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata. It is the advice given by Krishna to Arjun on the battlefield of Kurukshetra. It contains the essence of the Vedas and is the most popular of all the Hindu Scriptures. It contains 18 chapters. The Bhagavad Gita is one of the most widely read and revered of the works sacred to the Hindus. It is their chief devotional book, and has been for centuries the principal source of religious inspiration for many thousands of Hindus. The Gita is a dramatic poem, which forms a small part of the larger epic, the Mahabharata. It is included in the sixth book (Bhismaparvan) of the Mahabaharata and documents one tiny event in a huge epic tale. The Bhagavad Gita tells a story of a moral crisis faced by Arjuna, which is solved through the interaction between Arjuna, a Pandava warrior hesitating before battle, and Krishna, his charioteer and teacher. The Bhagavad Gita relates a brief incident in the main story of a rivalry and eventually a war between two branches of a royal family. In that brief incident - a pause on the battlefield just as the battle is about to begin - Krishna, one chief on one side (also believed to be the Lord incarnate), is presented as responding to the doubts of Arjuna. The poem is the dialogue through which Arjuna�s doubts were resolved by Krishna�s teachings. CONCEPT OF GOD IN HINDUISM 1. Common Concept of God in Hinduism: Hinduism is commonly perceived as a polytheistic religion. Indeed, most Hindus would attest to this, by professing belief in multiple Gods. While some Hindus believe in the existence of three gods, some believe in thousands of gods, and some others in thirty three crore i.e. 330 million Gods. However, learned Hindus, who are well versed in their scriptures, insist that a Hindu should believe in and worship only one God. The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim perception of God is the common Hindus� belief in the philosophy of Pantheism. Pantheism considers everything, living and non-living, to be Divine and Sacred. The common Hindu, therefore, considers everything as God. He considers the trees as God, the sun as God, the moon as God, the monkey as God, the snake as God and even human beings as manifestations of God! Islam, on the contrary, exhorts man to consider himself and his surroundings as examples of Divine Creation rather than as divinity itself. Muslims therefore believe that everything is God�s i.e. the word �God� with an apostrophe �s�. In other words the Muslims believe that everything belongs to God. The trees belong to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, the monkey belongs to God, the snake belongs to God, the human beings belong to God and everything in this universe belongs to God. Thus the major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim beliefs is the difference of the apostrophe �s�. The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God�s. 2. Concept of God according to Hindu Scriptures: We can gain a better understanding of the concept of God in Hinduism by analysing Hindu scriptures. BHAGAVAD GITA The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita. Consider the following verse from the Gita: "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. �gods� besides the True God. UPANISHADS: The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus. The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God: "Ekam evadvitiyam" "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah." "Na tasya pratima asti" The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form: "Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam." THE VEDAS Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda. Yajurveda The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God: "na tasya pratima asti "shudhama poapvidham" "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste" Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc. The Yajurveda contains the following prayer: "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander." Atharvaveda The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3: "Dev maha osi" Rigveda The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46: "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names." The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1. Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means �The Creator�. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or �Creator� or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it. Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda: "Na tasya Pratima asti" Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means �The Sustainer�. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or 'Sustainer' or Vishnu. But the popular image of Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a �conch shell�, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19. "Na tasya pratima asti" The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being: "Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata" "Devasya samituk parishtutih" Brahma Sutra of Hinduism: The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is: "Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan" "There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit." Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism. |
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Shams Zaman
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Salam o Alikum! Indeed after the brother has posted detailed concept of Hinduism as narrated by Zakir Naik, it would be inappropriate to add anything because neither I am as learned as him nor I possess adequate knowledge about Hinduism. However what ever knowledge is available with me I would like to respond to Mr. Fuhad. Salvation: All the human beings were created from one pair. Even if this is not given in the Hinduism however common sense indicates that in the beginning there would certainly be one pair, irrespective of the fact that we believe in Theory of evolution or creation. So this means that in the beginning there was one religion. This is the reason that all the major religions have similar teachings, like what is good and what is bad. No religion according to my knowledge teach to kill innocents or to steal or to rob etc. So the social teachings are almost similar. What has changed is the concept of God, the religious rituals and the religious philosophy (life after death, equality etc). Now the question is that if there is salvation then who has to offer it? Definitely God. So is it possible that anyone who defies God will be rewarded in Heaven? Can anyone live in a house if he says to his father that, neither I accept you as my father nor I will obey any of your orders. Certainly that father will kick his son out of the house (if he is not dependent on his son). Now if Hinduism says that, according to Fuhad �everyone and anyone has the truth and anyone can achieve Salvation� this is not logical at all. How can both the statements be accepted as true, �THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD� and �EVERYTHING IS GOD or THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE GOD�. So if Hinduism says that everyone can achieve the salvation, sorry its only a deceptive statement. Respect for Human Being: Hinduism in one of the few religions which has very little respect for the human beings because the Hinduism has a unique caste system. By which Hindus themselves can�t become equal to other Hindus. A Brahman is the most sacred of the caste followed by Kashtari, Vaish and Shuder or the untouchables. There can�t be transgression in the caste system a Shudar can never qualify for the Vaish, a Vaish can never qualify for Kashtari and a Kashtari can never qualify as a Brahman. They born in the same caste and die in the same. The Brahmans are the most privileged caste amongst the all and the Shudars are the most subjugated with almost no human respect. Whereas, Islam says that all human beings are equal and bonded by universal brotherhood with Muslims being brothers in faith. There is no room for sect or caste system in Islam. As said in Sura Al-Imran -3, Verse 105, �And be not like those who have divided themselves into sects after clear orders had come to them, and that these are the people for whom there is grievous chastisement� and in Sura Inaam - 6, verse 159, �Surely they, who split their religion into bits and pieces and divided themselves into sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.� Similarly we are told not to fight with the followers of other religions unnecessarily, �And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say to them: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.� Sura Ankaboot-29, verse 46. Conversion: There is no concept of conversion in Hinduism because anyone who converts to Hinduism has to live in subjugation as a lowest caste Shudar or untouchable. So no one will like to convert if he has to live like an animal in a newly adopted religion whereas he enjoys a respectable place in other religion. And for women, she is supposed to be burnt alive along with his husband if he dies and the practice is known as Satti. I don�t know why the Hindus are not practicing this �noble and sacred� ritual so that the world could come to know what is the place for women in Hindu society and any conversions which are taking place in the west should also double. Whereas in Islam any new convert is given equal and full rights which he may not be getting in other religions. That is the reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Concept of Eternal Hell. Is it Logical: As said by Mr Fuhad Islam offers the concept of eternal hell. This statement is half true as Islam also offers the concept of eternal heaven. Well it is very simple, this complete universe is run according to a system and set of rules, this world is governed by the set of terrestrial rules, all the societies and nations are run according to a set of system in this world like Islamic system, western democracy, secularism and communism etc. Once someone breach the laws set by that society he is penalised according to the law, and if he commits the highest unwanted crime like murder or anti-state rebellion he is given the maximum punishment that is death. So if in this world if someone commits the biggest crime that is associating partners with Allah, he is given the highest punishment in the hereafter that is eternal hell. All those who commit crimes of less intensity will be kept for a specified period of time which is surely only known to Allah. There is no concept of hell or heaven in Hinduism and Hindus believe in the �Cycle of Rebirth.� The common word used for the Doctrine of Rebirth is �Punarjanam�. In Sanskrit Punar or Puna means �next time� or �again� and Janam means �life�. Therefore Punarjanam means next life or the life here after. It does not mean coming to life again and again. Most of the reference for Punarjanam in the other Hindu Scriptures besides the Vedas if read keeping life hereafter in mind including the quotation of Bhagavad Gita and Upanishad it give us a concept of next life or life again but not life again and again. This concept of Rebirth again and again was developed later on after the vedic period to rationalize the indifferences found in different individuals at birth and different surrounding in which people live. Since the creator Almighty can not be unjust. Hindus are generally and mostly unaware regarding their religious scripture and the actual teachings of Hinduism. Therefore Hinduism is not even practiced according to its revelations. That is why a person remains a Hindu if he worships one God or 3 gods or even 330 million gods. This is perhaps the only religion where even this has yet to be ascertained that how many gods should be worshipped. And yet if someone says that I believe that Hinduism is a divine religion, I can only salute his wisdom and weep on his fate. Misconceptions: Almost all of the human beings who follow a religion which give the concept of hell and heaven assume that they will be rewarded in Heavens regardless of their deeds. Unfortunately this misconception also prevails amongst Muslims as well. But Quran has to say something different on the issue. Sura Asar � 103, verses 1- 4, �Swearing by the time of age o Definitely mankind is in loss o Except for those who believe and have righteous deeds and orated each other about truth, and counselled each other for patienceo�. So it is evident that first we must believe in : (1) Allah (that there is none else to be worshipped), His all the Messengers and revelations, all his angels, in the life after death and the Day of Judgement, and that Allah has the command over all matters (Taqdeer). (2) Should have righteous deeds like offering prayers, helping poor with charity and zakat, do not un-necessarily harm someone, obey parents, refrain from what Allah has forbidden (haraam), fasting in Ramdan and perform Hajj once in life time etc. (3) Should propagate the divine and truthful message with all available resources. (4) And finally, should show patience and forbearance in difficult times and should consult Allah with advising same to others. So these are the 4 conditions to enter heaven and if anyone fails in anyone he is not to enter except for if Allah decides the other way. Hope this satisfies Mr. Fuhad Shams Zaman [Note from Moderator: Guidelines for posts:Rule#3. Use of upper case and bold (font) is not permissible for the whole of the message body, however it may be used to add emphasis to words or phrases contained within your message.] Edited by Nausheen |
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bismillah-ar-Rahman-ar-Raheem Salam alaikum Please read, http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&To pic=4240 The disease of comparative religion has entered the hearts of those who are not well grounded in the deen. Hence they mislead others and go astray themselves. If you can't guide others then don't mislead them at least. May Allah have mercy on the Muslim Ummah. Disappearance of knowledge is rampant.
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The most favorite passtime of salafis is to issue fatwas of having gone astray against the Ulema of as sunnah wal jama'. Only those names which are respected on the salafi websites are on the right path, rest all have gone astray. Congratulations! btw, what percentage of muslim population is salafi? Less than 2. So what they say is the voice of less than 2% of the total muslims - still keep up the work of attacking the muslims of As-sunnah wal jama' All the best! |
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bismillah-ar-Rahman-ar-Raheem As Salam alaikum I don't have time to argue but let's come back to the point. Do you call/invoke Allah Ta'ala by names such as Brahma, Vishnu etc.? Do you hold this Aqeedah? Do you say, 'O Brahma! O Vishnu! while in your Prayer or making dua to Allah Tabarak wa Ta'ala? Or do you think this is permissible? If yes, its your choice but could you give proof from the Quraan and Sunnah or from anyone amongst AS-Sunnah wal Jama'? Don't be emotional, just speak with substance...Inshallah. That will help.
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