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Central to Christianity is forgiveness, peace and love.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Central to Christianity is forgiveness, peace and love.
 
 What that has got to do with abrogation in Quran?
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a blessed Ramadhan wish to all those who will or are already fasting this month...
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

There is no contradiction or mistake..... or msimatch between verse 3:85 and verse 2:62.

The contradiction is so obvious I don't understand how you can ignore it.

Let's make it simple: my grandmother was a devout Christian.  She believed in God and the hereafter, and did good works.  On the other hand, she believed in the divinity of Christ (as do all Christians), and she prayed to Him (as do all Christians as far as I know).  Will she "have her reward with her Lord" (2:62), or will she "be one of the losers" (3:85)?
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 Most Muslims will reply you in the negative sense. They would tell you that she deserves hell. But that is from Allah. That is the final decision.
 
 As far as the Muslism are concerned, she was doing good deeds, meaning she was not attcking Islam and not abusing too, then she had nothing to fear from the Muslims.
 
 How God will deal with her is a different matter. We have no problem with her, even though she did not believe in Muhammad. She was good lady and peaceful person. So well and good. As far as we are concerned she can rest in peace.  But God will take account of her definitely. Please do not blame it on us.
 
 You think she will be heading for heavens. It is o.k. we will not contest it. Let her go to heavens. But it is the God who will take account of all things.
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I am not asking what most Muslims will say.  I am asking what the Quran says.  2:62 says she will be rewarded.  3:85 says she will not.  How can you deny that there is a contradiction?
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minuteman- just pointing out a contradiction between Islam and Christianity and how the contradiction of the 2 verses "have her reward with her Lord" (2:62), or will she "be one of the losers" (3:85) exists in more then one area of belief.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

There is no contradiction or mistake..... or msimatch between verse 3:85 and verse 2:62.

The contradiction is so obvious I don't understand how you can ignore it.

Let's make it simple: my grandmother was a devout Christian.  She believed in God and the hereafter, and did good works.  On the other hand, she believed in the divinity of Christ (as do all Christians), and she prayed to Him (as do all Christians as far as I know).  Will she "have her reward with her Lord" (2:62), or will she "be one of the losers" (3:85)?

 
Ok look at these verses especially the last one,
 
5:116 AND LO! God said: Asad(5,139) O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ` worship me and my mother as deities beside God'?" [Jesus] answered: "Limitless art Thou in Thy glory! It would not have been possible for me to say what I had no right to [say]! Had I said this, Thou wouldst indeed have known it! Thou knowest all that is within myself, whereas I know not what is in Thy Self. Verily, it is Thou alone who fully knowest all the things that are beyond the reach of a created being's perception.
 
5:117 Nothing did I tell them beyond what Thou didst bid me [to say]: `Worship God, [who is] my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer.' And I bore witness to what they did as long as I dwelt in their midst; but since Thou hast caused me to die, Thou alone hast been their keeper: Asad(5,140) for Thou art witness unto everything.
 
5:118 If thou cause them to suffer - verily, they are Thy servants; and if Thou forgive them - verily, Thou alone art almighty, truly wise!"
 
 
I will state that a faith should be practiced in truthfulness, for the sake of The Lord and His love, and since we believe "God" is The (ultimate) Truth (Al Haqq, as is one of His names) we must understand our faith must be based on truth to be accepted and upheld, this ofcourse does not mean the plain conformation to beliefs of a social group, no matter how appealing those beliefs may be to some.


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