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 Posted: 18 May 2006 at 9:26pm |
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AbRah's statement:In the west, the outcome of a trial depend on the lawyers...Successful, experienced and expensive lawyers ensure good outcome of a trial if you have so much money to hire them...Question: What will happen to poor people who have little money to spend on the trial in the West? Fredi's answer: they get legal aid ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Here is my answer for you Fredi: What is the quality of the legal aid? Is it easy to get one? What do you expect of a lawyer to whom you pay minimum fees? What are the chances of winning a case in the court if your opponent hire an expensive, experienced and successful lawyers...Don't you know that the cost of a trial is very expensive in the west? It is expensive to tell to the court that you are right! |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 9:34pm |
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------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Answer: Islam promotes justice: Islamic Judicial System With regard to the Dhimmis (Non-Muslims living under Muslim protection), Islam ordered that they must be treated justly. It gave them rights and imposed duties on them. It gave them security in the Muslim world, and imposed blood-money and expiation for an act of killing committed against anyone among them. Allah says: "If he belonged to a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, blood-money shall be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed" (Quran 4:92) Furthermore, in conformity with the saying of the Prophet (peace be on him), Islam prohibits the slaying of a Dhimmi living in the Muslim world. "Whoever kills a person under the contract of protection shall never smell the scent of Paradise" (Ibn Majah) Moreover, Islam does not forbid its followers from being charitable towards those who do not fight them or expel them from their homes. Allah says in the Qur'an: "Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (Quran 60:8) And: "And let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do" (Quran 5:8) In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Qur'an says:
The Qur'an, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression,'believing men and women' to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits. It says: For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (Quran 33:35) The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women: O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good. (4:19) Conclusion: (1)In the eyes of the Islamic judiciary there can be no bias against the Muslims and non-Muslims . (2)Islam respects the religious freedom of non-Muslims: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 2:15am |
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Giant voice from heavenly intercomm in school lunchroom:
CHILDREN!!! Stop this food fight right now! Alibaba...put the jello down. BMZ...do not stick another pea in that straw! Freddi...hands in your pockets! Everybody please eat your lunches and behave! Edited by DavidC |
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BMZ
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Posted: 19 May 2006 at 3:34am |
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DavidC, Yes, Sir! You just made my life easy. Thanks. BR BMZ |
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Why, when asking about legal aid for the poor in America (the West), was my post totally ignored? I did offer an article regarding the availability for free legal aid in America, in fact, it is compulsitory for those accused of a felony. They are provided with a public defender or an attorney who works "pro bono". I'm puzzled as to why this has been ignored, as if it was never posted or provided as a fact. Was there something (unknown to me) in this post which was considered disrespectful? God's Peace, Patty Edited by Patty |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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AbRah2006
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Posted: 20 May 2006 at 8:05am |
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AbRah's stament: It is the western who proudly admit that they have freedom to do whatever they like to do while accusing Muslims falsely of not having freedom. Fredi's statement: this is nonsense, the only people claiming to be able to do whatever they like are criminals, idiots or ordinary people who only ever want to do what the law allows My response: You can go to Yahoo Messenger Islam Chatroom 1 etc to see how ( I quote fredi's statement) the 'criminals, idiots or ordinary people' slander Muslim nations by saying that only the western nations give high degree of freedom freedom to people and there is no freedom in Muslim nations! ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ AbRah's stament:They claim that they practise religious freedom while persecuting Muslims for practising their beliefs. For example Muslim women cover their hairs for their beliefs but the Christians use their laws etc to force the Muslim women to expose their hairs. Fredi's statement: in my country everyone who wishes may cover their hair, muslims or otherwise. please give an example of where theyre not- are you talking about france? My response: France ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ AbRah's stament:Some Zionists and Christians in Europe, USA etc slander the prophet Muhammad by drawing cartoons to degrade him in the name of freedom. Fredi's statement: but muslims are free to degrade the Lord Jesus Christ on a daily basis by denying his deity - and they are free to do so in the west. our governments have no right to intervene in these matters. i was shocked when no newspaper here in the uk had the guts to publish the cartoons. they were even published in an egyptian newspaper, admittedly before the thing became a "crisis" My response: We Muslims love Jesus very much for he is a great prophet of Allah and we will will never degarde him. Islam forbids slander so we will not slander anybody! My question for you Fredi: How do you feel if the media draw cartoons of you to insult and slander you? Will you be happy?Will you thank the media for insulting and slandering you? How do you feel if the media slander and insult your God? How do you feel if the media draw cartoons of Jesus to abuse him? How do you feel if the media draw cartoons of your parents to abuse them? Will you sue the media? How do you feel if the media draw cartoons of your wife having sex with her neighbour?Will you sue the media? Why do the people like you, Alibaba, Patty etc ask the moderators to delete my statements if they think that my statements have affect them? So where is the media freedom that you worship and adore? See what happened when I wrote an article The Crucifixion of Jesus is a lie: Patty's statement:Why is this person continually allowed by the moderator(s) to insult Christians and their beliefs? Alibaba's statement:Actually, I find the very title of this thread to be demeaning to Christianity Fredifreeloader's statement:abrah - you have stated that the "crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax" - and have uttered dreadful blasphemy against our glorious Lord, God and Saviour Jesus Christ in the process (i may come back to your address your lies, time permitting) - but then you said this - Why do the people like you, Alibaba, Patty etc who worship and revere the freedom of media condemn me for my article when you and them don't like my article? So where is the media freedom that you and your friends worship and revere? It is an irony that you Christians slander Muhammad in the name of media freedom but you are angry when I write an article to refute the crucifixion of Jesus? Therefore you and your friends are exposing the hypocrisy of the West! We Muslims believe that Jesus is a messenger of God but Jesus is neither God nor the son of God. Even your Bible call Jesus the son of man so many times to refute the sonship of Jesus....How can Jesus be God when Jesus himself denies that he is God by saying that God is greater than Jesus(John 14:28)? How can Jesus be God when Jesus says in John 5:30, as saying: �I can of mine own self do nothing...� ...... Do you Fredi worship a powerless God? ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ AbRah's stament:It is an irony that when an educated European says that Holocaust is fake and it did not exist, the Zionists and Christians charge him in the court! So where is the freedom declared by the Western people? This is the hypocrisy of the West! Fredi's statement: no the zionists and christians did not charge him in court - it was the austrian judiciary that did that. austria and germany are very sensitive on these matters, and rightly so, as they felt the full blast of the nazi filth. even doing the nazi salute as a joke is against the law in germany, if you do it you will be arrested. they have faced up to their past and are determined it should not be repeated My response: You Fredi are practising double standard here...How can the western media that is blessed by you slander the prophet Muhammad but at the same time you prosecute any persons who dare enough to question the Holocaust? The hypocrisy of the West! ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ AbRah's stament: In Muslim nations Muslims have their freedom to practise their human rights and beliefs and so have the non-Muslims. Proof: There are non-Muslims and their churches , synogue, temple in Muslim nations and they are free to practise their beliefs. The western people accuse Muslim nations of persecuting non-Muslims for their beliefs falsely. Fredi's statement: please give an example of such a false accusation My response: It is my pleasure give you an example........ ISLAMIC NATIONS SLAUGHTER, ENSLAVE CHRISTIANS ConservativeTruth ^ | 12/16/01 | Tom Barrett-Posted on 12/15/2001 9:20:58 PM PST by Slyfox: My comment: This article clearly slander Islam and Muslims. In Ambon Moluccas Indonesia it was the Christians who started the conflict by attacking and massacring Muslims and burnt the Muslim survivors to death in the mosques so Muslims had to defend themselves against the Christian terrorists.....In Sudan the Christian rebels who are supported by CIA try to topple the Sudanese government by force so the Sudanese government has its right to defend itself against the Christian terrorists! Muslims are being persecuted in Christian nations for being a Muslim especially in USA where some Muslims are detained without trial and there are some unlawful arrests by the authoritoes. Christians had been known to persecute and massacre Muslims in Bosnia, Chechya etc. Muslims and Jews and Christians who believed in One God were persecuted by the Trinaterian Christians in Europe. Muslims and Jews were massacred by the Christians in Christian Spain in the name of the infamous Inquisition! ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ AbRah's stament:If they are persecuted by Muslims how come they enjoy freedom in Muslims such as doing business and become rich, holding high positions in Muslim governments and non-government firms and organisation, enjoying the same rights as Muslims do etc. Why don't they go to the western nations for good? Nobody will stop them if they decide to do that! It is an irony that they carry on living in Muslim nations enjoying freedom while the western people slander them by saying that the non-Muslims are being oppressed by Muslims! Fredi's statement: its an even bigger irony that muslims are queuing up to get into the west, both legally and illegally, or as asylum seekers (says it all doesnt it) in order to live among such evil slanderers of islam as one finds in the west My response: Emigration is natural and it happens since the time is immemorial. Even the Europeans emgirate to other nations! Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Posted: 20 May 2006 at 10:07am |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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