Sunni Shiite Islam

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   May Allah guide everyone of us to the right path and i really fear for those who come to this site looking to know about Islam. Br/Sr aservant thankyou very much for your post. I am just waking up to the enemy within. Mr Ali Zaki is very eager to respond to the newcomers with his knowledge and quite often referring them to his favourite website. I have no intention of going to that website. The website that has blatant lies even about the Qur'an. I can't believe they have said as you quote: 
Moses name has been mentioned 230 times in the Quran, while Imam Ali's (as) has been referred to in 300 places in the Quran 
This is most shocking. How can they make up such lies! Even manipulating the Qur'an!  Allah, save us all. I have heard of a hadith that as we move closer to the judgement day, following Islam will become very difficult, like walking on a bed of thorns. Who can you trust? People who call themselves Muslims, are actually so far away from Islam. I fear for myself and for everyone else. May Allah save us.

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Tasneem Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 28 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tasneem Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 5:31am
	May Allah guide everyone of us to the right path and i really fear for those who come to this site looking to know about Islam. Br/Sr aservant thankyou very much for your post. I am just waking up to the enemy within. Mr Ali Zaki is very eager to respond to the newcomers with his knowledge and quite often referring them to his favourite website. I have no intention of going to that website. The website that has blatant lies even about the Qur'an. I can't believe they have said as you quote: Moses name has been mentioned 230 times in the Quran, while Imam Ali's (as) has been referred to in 300 places in the Quran This is most shocking. How can they make up such lies! Even manipulating the Qur'an! Allah, save us all. I have heard of a hadith that as we move closer to the judgement day, following Islam will become very difficult, like walking on a bed of thorns. Who can you trust? People who call themselves Muslims, are actually so far away from Islam. I fear for myself and for everyone else. May Allah save us.

Ali Zaki Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 May 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ali Zaki Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 6:05am
	Salam alakum Brother aservent and Tasneem, May Allah (s.w.a.) guide you (and me) to the straight path. You are found of trying to uncover people, and expose what is in their hearts. Brother, only Allah (s.w.a.) knows the heart of a person or his true motivations. When we both stand on the day of judgement, we will both be asked about how we treated the Ahly Al'Bayt of the Prophet (a.s.) If we say that we loved BOTH the Ahly Al'Bayt and those who FOUGHT AGAINST THEM (some secretly, others openly), then this answer will not be accepted, and Allah (s.w.a.) will look at our deeds. The distorted version of history that I have heard from some on this website, as well as seen on Sunni websites is incorrect. If you need proof of this, read ANY books that are not written from a narrow ideological perspective and maybe your eyes will be opened. The fact that I have not condemned some individuals does not mean that they have not condemned themselves by their own clear and public words and actions which are well documented. Another reason is, in my experience, if certain people which the Sunni revere are condemned then the Sunni brother/sister that you are speaking with will ignore everything else you have said and stop listening. This is a result of 1400 years of distortions that cannot be easily corrected. I am not trying to hide anything (nor have I read every document on al-Islam.org) However, I can tell you that taken AS A WHOLE, it presents the most clear and comprehensive picture of Shia beliefs that I have seen. Give me any website and I can take phrases out of context (without even giving the reference to the page) and instigate others towards hatred of a group (or individuals). As for me (personally), I would rather talk about facts then condemning people. I am not here to condemn anyone. My purpose is only to point to the problem of leadership in the Muslim Umma today and point others toward the solution that the Prophet (a.s.) has given us, which is love and OBIEDIENCE to the Ahly Al'Bayt. Love without obedience is just words. Salam
	"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad." Imam Ali (a.s.)

Ayubi1187 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 06 December 2001 Location: Somalia Status: Offline Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ayubi1187 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 6:38am
	Love and OBEDIENCE i something shia never gave to ahlul-bayt. they only brought disaster and pain to ahlul-bayt. I can bring you many references from shia books where ahlul-bayt call you pretenders, hypocrites and liers. Its was shia who deceived and betrayed Hussen ibn Ali(ra) and killed him and the same thing happened with Zayd ibn ali(ra). it was because of this false love and hypocrisy that the last imams had to abandon them for ever and move to north iraq where they died and are buried.

hkrespect Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 52	Post Options Post Reply Quote hkrespect Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 7:22am
	true, the shia seem to be the root cause of the problem. remember those people who were showing over devotion to Ali r.a? what happened to them?
	hk

Ali Zaki Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 May 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ali Zaki Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 7:23am
	One more thing, �the status of an Imam is higher than a prophet who was not given Immate� This concept is from Quran. Many prophets were BOTH Imams and Prophets (i.e., Musa (a.s.), Isa (a.s.), Ibrahim (a.s.), etc.) "And (remember) when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, then he fulfilled them. He said: "Surely I am going to make you an Imam for men" (Ibrahim) said: "And of my offspring?" He said: "My covenant will not include the unjust" (2:124) Imam is a leader who guides by a Divine Command, which is closely associated with him. The imamah, in its esoteric sense, is al‑wilayah (guardianship, authority) over the people in their actions and activities; and its guidance entails conveying them to the final destination by the command of Allah. It is different from that guidance which only shows the way ‑ and which is usually done by the prophets and messengers of Allah as well as by other believers who guide the people towards Allah with sincere exhortation and good advice." This is a summary of the tafseer from "Al-Mizan". For the complete answer, see http://www.almizan.org/Tafseer/baqarah28.asp
	"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad." Imam Ali (a.s.)

Ayubi1187 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 06 December 2001 Location: Somalia Status: Offline Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ayubi1187 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 8:00am
	Its made up terminologys by shia to conceal the contradiction thats how we see it. Are you saying a prophet cannot be an imam if he dont have imamah? what is the meaning of imam in shia dictionary?(if they have one) And why is the person who leads prayer is called Imam?

Ali Zaki Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 May 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ali Zaki Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 8:04am
	If all prophets are imams, or if prophets are higher then imams then why did Ibrahim (a.s.) ask for Allah (s.w.a.) to make him an imam while he was already a prophet? For an explanation of the distinction between prophethood and imamate, see the link provided.
	"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad." Imam Ali (a.s.)

Ayubi1187 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 06 December 2001 Location: Somalia Status: Offline Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ayubi1187 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2005 at 8:27am
	So if quran says imam it must mean imamah, if quran says believer it must be referring to Ali(ra) blabla. Its very simple you have to prove to as that the word imam in this instant is referring to shia terminology of imamah(supermen) and not leadership or other meanings that the word imam can have.