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Sign*Reader ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
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Wow! man you are really a stubborn troll in the Month of Ramadan! I can see why you are teeing the people of in general by your typical troll behavior and particularly bro Sasha! Now the rubbish that clearly is against a clear Quranic sign:4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- 4:158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- but you have no compunction for doing that but you can plead for Qadiani POV be accepted without challenge! Can't you see this sign is addressing the people likes of you who are following the conjectures? Why should a believer follow the BBC or any /all the doubters in the first place! And you have conveniently tried to cherry pick my points in your previous responses! And that is OK; think through about the above quoted revelations cuz this is mirror you can't avoid no matter how much brain washing you have gone through by your handlers! By bringing this point you dug yourself a hole and more you dig, deeper you will go down! the common sense demands! So stop digging! and also ask for Allah's forgiveness for pleading the Qardiani POV in this month of sanctity! |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
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You are spamming in violation of the guidelines of the forum indicated how lawful is your thinking! You have copied and pasted from the official website of the Ahmedia community giving a false impression of your own scholarship! How can you make a case being a Qadiani Spammer! You comments and future threads need to be watched by all Muslim members of this forum! This is unconscionable and you owe an apology for getting the Ahmedia propaganda site in here edgewise without mentioning its reference! Shame on you amigo/freund/yar for being so deceptive! Is that how your parents and teachers taught you to plagiarize! Edited by Sign*Reader - 28 September 2008 at 5:10pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Mansoor_ali ![]() Senior Member ![]() Male Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Status: Offline Points: 584 |
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Mirza Mahmud Ahmad believed, at one time, that Prophet Muhammad was the Last Prophet
In 1910, two years after the death of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote an article entitled Najaat (Salvation) which was published in the monthly Tashhiz-ul-azhan, the magazine of which he himself was the proprietor and editor. Shown below is the front cover of that issue (April 1910, vol. v, no. 4) in which this article appeared:
![]() In this article, he explains the meaning of the Khatam an-nabiyyin verse of the Holy Quran as follows:
It is clearly stated in this article that:
Source:http://www.muslim.org/qadis/mahmud-f.htm |
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Whisper ![]() Senior Member ![]() Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752 |
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If i had the proofs, i wouldve been an ahmedi today. so u want the proofs, only a knowledgeable ahmedi can give them or study their books specially their khalifas, im sure it will help. My purpose was totally different here that is not to convince that there prophet is a true one as im still studying but to realize u all that they are peaceful followers of islam and not a threat to islam as one can see from their interpretation and so we should treat them with respect.
I promise you, I love your absolutely street act juggling! You are trying to tell us that they are a part of Islam - with own readymade prophet - who was offered a Knighthood by His Majesty - which is done for Services rendered to the Crown?
Mian jee, it's very simple = when you list someone as a prophet - you are bound to provide us the auntentecity of that Prophet. Do you understand? Or I have to explain that in Punjaubi? Edited by Whisper - 28 September 2008 at 6:40pm |
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Whisper ![]() Senior Member ![]() Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752 |
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How can you make a case being a Qadiani Spammer!
Paa jee, I have not yet seen such a shameless street juggler, at least, not here at IC. When you list someone as a Nabi then th eonus lies on you to provide the proof of that man's nabi hood. Simple. No response.
In 1907, I can't bet on the year, but a man of knowledge who also happend to be my dada, challenged Mirza for a munazara about his various claims including his Nabi hood. Mirza didn't show up thrice.
Not just that, he hired a mushtanda (goon) to chop my grandfather's head off. Saday school de master nay onu pharr laya. (a teacher of our school caught hold of him) and they broke both his legs.
Hafeez Jallundhary narrated these incidents to me when I was at the GC. He also showed me a collection of periodicals, newspapers of the day that had covered these incidents.
These incidents establish the fact that Mirza knew that he was playing an open fraud. Suppose, if he genuinely thought that he had struck Nabi hood, he would have come out of sheer innocence, to establish his claims. Edited by Whisper - 28 September 2008 at 7:09pm |
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Whisper ![]() Senior Member ![]() Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752 |
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Paa Jee
I have also started to feel real bad for this chap. He has to act as just shameless and with just the line! Ask him that the Ahmadis consider and also treat all non-Ahmadis as un-Muslim, he just goes mumb.
Many other things in his poor behaviour. I feel, he is from that real Ahmadi producing area - the Gujranwala - Sialkot - Lailpur (Faisalabad doesn't really sound as cute!) Sangla Hill - Sheikhupura belt. he seems to have been caught up in that recent surge of sentiment against deviants of Islam. In face of open Anglo-American aggression, people seem to resent the type of docility the likes of Mirza taught and spread.
Plus, I fail to understand one thing. Why have I never run into a Baluchi, Pathan or UPite Ahmadi. What are the chances of meeting a Bangla Deshi Mirzai? I have met no more than a Mirzai and a half in Sindh. The half had just signed up because he desperately wanted to marry a woman with a triangle burqa. I didn't ask the other his reasons, but at least he showed me the Nawab Shah bank our President Zardari had "done" on his motorbike!
Please can you tell me why is it just primarily a Punjaubi disorder? Edited by Whisper - 28 September 2008 at 7:52pm |
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minuteman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642 |
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From Whisper:
And Minuteman
Stop harrassing us with all your scholarly bull. Just provide us the proof of your man's prophet hood. Khalaas! Understand? or you wish me to make you understand Punjaubi style?
Sorry whisper for pulling me into this. I have no intention of any proof and I feel it is silly to ask any one for the proof of his prophethood. Even if I was a prophet, nobody need ask me for the proof of prophethood. The prophets do not carry proofs in their pocket. I feel it is a silly demand and any sensible person should never make such a demand on the prophets.
Abu Jehl had seen the prophet s.a.w.s. Did he miss anything. He saw everything. But he did not believe. He was called Abu Hikmah (The father of wisdom). He missed all the proofs of the prophthood of Muhammad.
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seekshidayath ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357 |
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As'Salamu Alaikum , When i saw "9 pages" of discussion - i was awstruck! Last time, when i was here we were in 3rd. After going thru the left over pages, one thing mused me a lot - posts of minuteman. Totally confused !! Khayr, minuteman, that hadith was quoted from there books. Now, go thru it again, u shall understand . H300, you are here since very few months. and am sure must not have gone thru all posts of Bro. Sasha {Whisper}. So you doubt him. Let me tell you, he is one of the esteemed personalities. He has not just seen the world, around, but also experienced it. Anyways, i cannot force you or command you to respect him, but yes, we do trust his talk of grand pa. When i read you at other section, last months, i was happy with the thought that we have a good member. Your answers were nearly perfect. But i don't understand why are you defending these ahmadis ? Either, you are still in its first page or must not have confronted any Qadiyani. You must be still be studying Qadiyanism . Right now, for us, you are defender of Qadiyanism here. Coming to your question of first page, let me answer you, they do hold respect for our Prophet , atleast in those lines. And they believe, that Prophet {saws} was Khataman nabi, but as far as i know you, you atleast have knowledge that apart from Qur'an we have many hadiths, which state that Prophet was also last messenger of Allah swt. Do you think all our great scholars, who interpreted that verse, that Muhammad {SAWS}, was last Prophet as well as messenger{Khataman nabiyeen}, are wrong and on the other side only, Mirza Ghulam has exactly interpreted that verse ? I wish you go thru those hadiths, which clearly state that Prophet {saws} was last messenger as well. Now, again, why did you limit to only one page of there book ? Did you not read , how they demean our other Prophet of Allah swt, Isa AS ? As a muslim we are to hold respect for all prophets . Then why did he write such vulgar about Isa AS ? I challenge you, if we leave a qadiyani, in the midst of christians, they shall leave him out only when gets red / black. Shud we not hate those people, who hold wrong and so bad beliefs of Isa AS ? You answered just second and third of my questions. But not the first and fourth. As a muslim, do you believe that Isa AS died ? Does Qur'an say so ? Did you not read in the hadiths about coming of Isa AS. He shall abide the shariah of Prophet Muhammad. While, those people believe that the coming of Isa AS ? What made you to paste those links, which perhaps hold up up views that ,Isa AS, died in India , while you as a muslim must be holding the belief that he was raised in heavens ? Do all these not depict and rise doubts that you are a qadiyani ? Why is your support to them so immense ? You said, i referred to anti-ahmedi site, Well, i had to, since all there books i have are in urdu. But again, i challenge none of those verses quoted from there books are wrong. Don't you know, that they hold the belief that Qur'an is incomplete revelation ? They say that Mirza is the second incarnation of Prophet Muhammad {Sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} and you want us to love such followers of imposter ? Shud we state such people as muslims ?
If they belong to muslim community, then why do they forbid marriages to the followers of Muhammad {Pbuh}. Infact, when they hold respect for our Prophet {Pbuh}, they shud, be ready for such marriages . Is this an act of Muslim ? A reader may not suppress his laugh, when reads that they believe, all the praises made by Allah swt for the Prophet Muhammad, were actually intended for this Mirza !! And u say we shud n't hate such liars, while our blood boils ! If they are muslims, why did they set up there own Makkah and Medinah as place of there hajj ?
I wish instead of you suggesting me to go thru there books, you go thru them and yes, don't limit them to one page or get exaggerated by there lines for our Prophet. They are infact, rejectors of sayings of Prophet.
These people are like slow poisons. In the name of Islam, they are just ruining the aakhirah of ignorant people, convincing them thru money, and other incentives. As, i said, in the southern parts of India, they were just slow posions. Though it were late while realising the threat, but alhamdullilah, we were not too late. We had to work very hard, to bring back our innocent muslim brothers, and made them declare shahadahs, made public aware and alert of such people, despite there plans to foil our programmes. Alhamdullilah, Allah swt was sufficient for us.. You want us not to hate such people who create fitnahs !
You call our efforts to expose the beliefs of imposter as devilish ? My dear brother, its not just me who is to seek hidayah. It is all of us who are in need of it. There is only one path that is righteous. Pray Allah swt that He bestows us hidayah to be over that righteous path, which may lead us to heaven. Regards. Edited by seekshidayath - 29 September 2008 at 12:24am |
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