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Surah At-Tauba now why should people be attacked just because they dont believe in islam? why should they have to pay a special tax? why should they have to feel subdued, just because they dont believe islam? - yet this is what the world faces if muslims get their way My response: Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said: What is Jizya? (1) Yusuf al-Qaradawi says the word jizya is derived from the jazaa', meaning "reward", "return", or "compensation", and defines it as "a payment by the non-Muslim according to an agreement signed with the Muslim state". (2) Yusuf Ali states "The derived meaning, which became the technical meaning, was a poll-tax levied from those who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to the laws enforced by the Muslim State." In states ruled by Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: �����) is a per capita tax imposed on non-Muslim adult males. Jizya was applied to every free adult male member of the People of the Book, and/or non-Muslim living in lands under Muslim rule. There was no amount permanently fixed for it, though the payment usually depended on wealth: the Kitab al-Kharaj of Abu Yusuf sets the amounts at 48 dirhams for the richest (e.g. moneychangers), 24 for those of moderate wealth, and 12 for craftsmen and manual laborers. Females, children, the poor, and hermits were exempt from it. The disabled and elderly were exempt unless they were independently wealthy, as were mendicant monks�those living in productive monasteries had to pay. Historically Muslim rulers also attempted to collect jizya from Hindus, Sikhs and Zoroastrians under their rule. The collection of the tax was often the duty of the elders of those communities. In return, those who paid the jizya were not required to serve in the military and were considered under the protection of the Muslim state, with certain rights and responsibilities. Non-Muslims were also exempt from zakat, or mandatory charity imposed on Muslims. If he refused to pay the jizya, he might be imprisoned, as Abu Yusuf recommended. In his message to the people of Al-Hirah, Khalid bin Walid is recorded as saying (in reference to the jizya), "When a person is too old to work or suffers a handicap, or when he falls into poverty, he is free from the dues of the poll tax; his sustenance is provided by the Muslim Exchequer." According to Muslim accounts of Umar, in his time some payers of the jizya were compensated if they had not been cared for properly. The accounts vary, but describe his meeting an old Jew begging, and assisting him; according to one version:
In modern times, the jizya and zakat taxes have been replaced by more modern forms of taxation. The custom of taxing a population at a certain amount per head dates back to very ancient times. The first time such a tax is mentioned is in Ex. xxx. 12-16, where it is stated that every male "from twenty years old and above" shall give, as "a ransom for his soul," half a shekel for an offering unto the Lord. There were three other annual contributions obligatory on males, the amounts being proportioned according to their means (comp. Deut. xvi. 16-17). Although the contribution of half a shekel was required only at the time of the numbering of the children of Israel, the rabbinical law makes it an annual tax. There are, however, in the Bible traces of a regular poll-tax. Ezekiel, remonstrating against exactions, pointed out that the shekel was twenty gerahs (Ezek. xlv. 9-12). This shows that in Ezekiel's time the princes imposed a greater exchange value on the shekel than the prescribed twenty gerahs (comp. Ex. l.c.). The Jizya was very much lower than the Roman poll tax! Have you ever paid taxes in your own nations? Why don't you complain for paying those taxes? Why don't you refuse to pay them? Why don't you stop paying the taxes imposed onto you? Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Colin
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As far as I know, the British tax authorities don't make us choose between paying taxes or being compelled to sign up to a religion. |
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fredifreeloader
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abrah - so you have no comment to make about my quotation from islamic law - that doesnt surprise me
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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AbRah2006
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____________________________________________________ My response: I am surprised to see that you cannot read....I have refuted your wild claims! Why don't you read my statements? Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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i have not made wild claims, i have quoted directly from shariah law, which is, admittedly, wild enough. heres more AL-HEDAYA Vol. II (Hanafi Manual) |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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As far as I know, the British tax authorities don't make us choose between paying taxes or being compelled to sign up to a religion. ______________________________________________________ My response: The non-Muslim males who were under Muslim protection were required to pay Jizya to the Muslim government! As far as I know , the British government had been imposing poll tax (British form of Jizya) onto its citizens and non-citizens since 1380 AD. John of Gaunt, the regent of Richard II of England, levied his poll tax in 1380 to finance the war against France that was in progress. Each person aged over 15 was required to pay the amount of one shilling, which was a large amount then. As the charges began to rise, up to 18 million people refused to pay the tax, enforcement measures became increasingly draconian, and unrest mounted and culminated in a number of riots. The most serious of these happened in London on March 31, 1990, during a protest at Trafalgar Square, London, which more than 200,000 protesters attended (see also Poll tax riot). The Labour MP, Terry Fields, was jailed for 60 days for refusing to pay his poll tax.
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i have not made wild claims, i have quoted directly from shariah law, which is, admittedly, wild enough. heres more AL-HEDAYA Vol. II (Hanafi Manual) My response: What about the Western governemnts?A poll tax, soul tax, or capitation is a tax of a uniform, fixed amount per individual (as opposed to a percentage of income). Such taxes were important sources of revenue for many countries the US,Canada and UK . There are several famous cases of poll taxes in history, notably a tax formerly required for voting in parts of the United States that was often designed to disenfranchise African Americans, Native Americans, and whites of non-British descent, as well as two taxes levied by John of Gaunt and Margaret Thatcher in the fourteenth and twentieth centuries respectively. The word poll is an English word that once meant "head", hence the name poll tax for a per-person tax. However, in the United States, the term has come to be used almost exclusively for a fixed tax applied to voting. Since "going to the polls" is a common idiom for voting (deriving, of course, from the fact that early voting involved head-counts), a new folk etymology has supplanted any knowledge of the phrase's true origins in America. The jizya is a poll tax that, according to Islamic law, Islamic states must take from adult non-Muslim males. Do you mean that the Western nations were punishing their citizens and non-citizens by imposing poll tax, soul tax, or capitation onto them? |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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and yet more:
abrah, your previous statement "with regard to the dhimmis (non-muslims living under muslim protection), islam ordered that they must be treated justly" is a joke. according to this, dhimmis are paying a humiliating tax (the amount of it is irrelevant, i am talking about the nature of the tax) to the muslims, in order to be protected from the muslims. this is not protection, its a protection racket, pay up or die! - note that we are talking about shariah law here, this is what well get if its enforced in the world, which is the dream of every muslim. note that under this system of bondage, non-muslims are not treated as equal citizens, otherwise they would be called upon to pay the same taxes as the muslims, and get the same treatment. this is why your comparison to western tax systems is laughable. now you say that islam ordered that dhimmis must be treated justly. yes treated justly according to islam. the only problem with that is that islamic "justice" is a very different kettle of fish to what we perceive as being just
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