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AbRah2006 ![]() Guest Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
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bmzsp.......I like your comments and I agree with you. Thank you very much for your good advice and I aprreciate it. May Allah bless and guide you to His true path ...Ameen! To Fredi...I never hate you and I hope you will be a good friend of mine! I hope someday you will be a Muslim like those Christian missionaries who have embraced Islam http://thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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BMZ ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852 |
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AbRah, Salaam Aalikum and thank you for being so kind in understanding. I admire this quality. By the way, tax collection was there since the beginning and ancient times. Every civilised nation has done in the past and continues to do so. The worst tax, worse than the Jizya, was imposed on the poor people of the British India. It was the worst tax in the history and it was the tax (British Jizya) on the Salt collected from the sea. The British knew well that the Indians could not cook any curry without it. It was heavily taxed. People were so much heavily taxed that Gandhi had to walk miles to the seaside and make some salt breaking the Law and was arrested. Even Jesus is on record talking about Jizya, saying that "Render to Caeser that is due to Caeser, and to God what is due to God." Sincerely BMZ Edited by bmzsp |
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fredifreeloader ![]() Guest Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456 |
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well who am i to speak of the motivations of western (or eastern or whatever) governments when they impose taxation on people? --i assume they do it because they need the money to carry out their programmes. at least i know of no government which has announced the introduction of a tax specifically to humiliate and punish people. but islam, according to sharia law, has. it is the jizya tax. now bmz has fallen into the same hole as yourself, abrah (by bringing up the subject of the salt tax under the raj) - the fact is that pointing to the systems of taxations of world governments, past and present, does not answer what sharia law clearly states about the jizya tax btw i dont mind being called "lusty", after all these years, it is quite a compliment |
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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fredifreeloader ![]() Guest Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456 |
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you will no doubt have noted, colin, that your incisive point has yet to be answered
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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fredifreeloader ![]() Guest Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456 |
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yes bmz, im aware youve made a post about quran 9: 29 and the preceding verses. i am not equipped to dispute your commentary on the verses without further investigation, but i will point out this: fighting is ordered, therefore islam cannot be a peaceful religion. also, the purpose of the fighting is subjugation of other people, therefore islam is not a religion that promotes equality. if people are beaten in war, then why should they then be dominated for the rest of their lives by the choice of islam or the jizya tax and dhimmitude? the purpose of the fighting seems to be not the safety and security of muslims but the subjugation of non-muslims
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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BMZ ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852 |
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Fredi, If that is what you conclude, then I have wasted my time. |
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Mishmish ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1694 |
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Assalamu Alaikum: "There are none so blind as those who will not see..."
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Mishmish ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1694 |
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Assalamu Alaikum: If non-Muslims wished not to pay the tax, all they had to do was fight with the Muslim armies. They had a choice. Sir Thomas Arnold, an orientalist of the early 20th century, has argued:
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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