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honeto 
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 Posted: 06 June 2008 at 3:26pm |
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Robin,
thanks for replying and clarifying that such killings by the hands of Godly people (killing of woman, children, sheep and animals and burning of crops and to utterly destroy whole cities) was ordered by God according to the Bible.
Hasan Edited by honeto - 06 June 2008 at 3:27pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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Posted: 06 June 2008 at 8:38pm |
This God (Allah) will do again on Judgment Day on a global scale by the hand of his Prophets!
In your reply you negelted to note that God considered the Wicked!
You seem to forget this is the God of Moses:-
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man that he should tell lies, Neither a son of mankind that he should feel regret. Has he himself said it and will he not do it, And has he spoken and will he not carry it out?
Deuteronomy 30:17-20
"But if your heart turns away and you do not listen, and you are actually seduced and bow down to other gods and serve them, 18 I do tell YOU today that YOU will positively perish. YOU will not lengthen YOUR days on the ground to which you are crossing the Jordan to go to take possession of it. 19 I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days, that you may dwell upon the ground that Jehovah swore to your forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to give to them."
God (Allah) is a God of truth, He does what he says he will!
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Angel
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Posted: 06 June 2008 at 11:51pm |
If God's laws have been written on our hearts, then why do we have scriptures. Edited by Angel - 06 June 2008 at 11:52pm |
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 07 June 2008 at 9:40am |
I think mostly just for emphasis. We all know it is wrong to kill, but some of us need to be reminded of it.
But it's a good question. If we were all sufficiently introspective and rational, maybe we wouldn't need scripture at all. In fact, maybe most of us don't need scripture.
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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robin
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Posted: 07 June 2008 at 10:18am |
To give an opportunity for all to read them and let their heart be guided by them or to reject them, thus God sees how they act and will treat them accordingly! Hebrews 4:12-13
For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart. 13 And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.
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honeto
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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 5:23pm |
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Robin,
you said; "This God (Allah) will do again on Judgment Day on a global scale by the hand of his Prophets!"
As a Muslim I don't agree with that "by the hand of his Prophets".
I know at the end (before the Judgement Day) God will wrap-up this world, destroy it.
I believe as a Muslim that God never taught his prophets to go on killing rampage, and not to leave anything that breathes alive, including women, children, livestock and to even destroy cropfields and to burn cities.
Hasan Edited by honeto - 11 June 2008 at 5:25pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted: 12 June 2008 at 1:10am |
You must read Psalm 2:-
Psalm 2
1 Why have the nations been in tumult And the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing?
2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one [Jesus],
3 [Saying:] "Let us tear their bands apart And cast their cords away from us!"
4 The very One sitting in the heavens will laugh; Jehovah himself will hold them in derision.
5 At that time he will speak to them in his anger And in his hot displeasure he will disturb them,
6 [Saying:] "I, even I, have installed my king [Jesus] Upon Zion, my holy mountain."
7 Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: "You [Jesus] are my son; I, today, I have become your father.
8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your [Jesus] inheritance And the ends of the earth as your [Jesus] own possession.
9 You will break them [Jesus] with an iron scepter, As though a potter�s vessel you [Jesus] will dash them to pieces."
10 And now, O kings, exercise insight; Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth.
11 Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.
12 Kiss the son [Jesus] , that He may not become incensed And YOU may not perish [from] the way, For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.
"Jehovah" = God's name.
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honeto
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Posted: 12 June 2008 at 5:39pm |
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Robin, explain please,1-how does this quotes of yours justify in anyway the orders given to the prophets of OT by God toward indescriminate and unjust killings of the innocent babies, children, animals and destruction of crops and property.
2-Not even a man, loving and just ruler will do this to his enemy. It seems like that there are many mortals in this world that are more just and loving than the God of the Bible, those who would at least spare more if not less than babies, children, livestock, fields and cities from utter destruction?
I know and understand that God directly does take life, destroys property and life as He is the giver of life and all. But through His prophets He never taught them unjust and unkind behavior, as they were to teach God's Justice and Compassion, at all times, for that they were sent.
Nowhere in any other "Holy book" have I found order and promotion of such behavior as in the Bible. Here is another one of those commands claimed to be coming from God.
1Samuel 15:1......Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "
Hasan Edited by honeto - 12 June 2008 at 5:43pm |
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