Does God beget ?

JasperStone wrote: Israfil wrote: God birthing himself is contradictory God praying to himself is contradictory. Why do we need both rest and exercise? Don't they cancel each other out such that doing neither is the same as doing both? I think the need of both rest and exercise is self contradictory. I think I'll reject both since I can't understand the philosophy of it.

I'm sorry but this is such a poor example (in fact not an example to use) to refute Israfil's point. Rest and exercise is not conradictory nor cancels each other out. They work in complimentary & needing both.

God birthing himself is quite a bit of nonsense. And why would God need to pray to himself ?

Once again, you are projecting your 3-dimensional space-time mentality onto God and finding contradictions.

Its 4 when you add time  

You see, the Triune God is not limited by your limited mind. He is real and eager for you to know Him by opening to Him.

There is only one being and it cannot be three. One being cannot really separate itself. You see we have the Father and the Son and the Holy spirit all acting separately despite being one. Now tell how is this so? I think, you have either one entity or 3 entities not one divided in 3 and being distinct from each other and acting separately from each other, while being one and the same. Does this make sense to you?

There is the Father who is the God a.k.a Lord Almight a.k.a the creator of the universe and all that is. There is the Son, who is Jesus [who is supposedly Son of God as well as being God (who aparently is the Son of man - which brings in its only little problem because I don't think you can have both Son of God and Son of man AND God Himself) 

Can you see any problems with this ?

And then we have the Holy Spirit.

I'm sorry that you were in Christianity without ever meeting Christ.

What makes you think that Israfil didn't meet Christ, did he say so and i missed it.

I don't care if you ever come back to the "anity", but I pray that you meet the person of Jesus Christ.

You don't care?? that's suppose to be christian like or should I say Christ like, the same with the "anity" that's not very nice.

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Israfil wrote: BMZ, I never found Christianity by itself as a joke I just found certain principles ot be a joke i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As a kid I was confused as to what God was, was it Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or God? Islam simplified things and I felt that without going through "the middle man" I was able to communicate directly to God. Islam is primarily about mankind's direct communication with God and personal accountability. I like that. I also never believed, as a kid, that simply being baptized washes away sins becauses such rituals in my opinion. I believe crimes committed by some Christians are justified using that ritual i.e. "I was saved and you're a heathen therefore I have a right to kill you"

Thanks for the note, Israfil. I am surprised to see James 2 being quoted so little and so less, as if it was something over-ruled.

Faith and Works

 14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,

 16and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

 17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

 18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

 19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

 22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;

 23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

 24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

 25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

 26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

James, the step-brother of Jesus, to whom, people were told to go and ask anything after Jesus was gone, said all of above long before the first gospel made it's debut. It is there in the Bible and happens to be the most ignored part of the scripture.

BMZ

 

BMZ wrote: [ Angel, I hope you would not be told, "God can do anything, Right?"

lol! yeah.

Angel wrote: I'm sorry but this is such a poor example (in fact not an example to use) to refute Israfil's point. Rest and exercise is not conradictory nor cancels each other out. They work in complimentary & needing both.

Angel,

You missed my point and turned it around. I wasn't saying that rest and exercise cancel each other out. I was giving that intentionally as a poor example to match the other poor examples others gave trying to make God's person self contradictory.

Angel wrote: Its 4 when you add time

Agreed.

Angel wrote: You don't care?? that's suppose to be christian like or should I say Christ like, the same with the "anity" that's not very nice.

I believe you have totally missed my point again. Christianity is a religion of man. I don't care if he never joins that system of religion, but I would like him to know Christ. Saying I don't care was not an expression of apathy about him, but an illustration of my priorities.


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