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Greetings Abu Loren,Where do you think clouds come from then?� How do you think they are formed?I mean, I can actually watch the clouds form, appear, and disappear again, since I live near the ocean.� Where do you think humidity comes from?� It is the water in the air... the water that eventually forms into clouds as the sun lifts it upwards and it joins with other water molecules and appears as clouds.Thin wispy clouds will often disappear from the sky even as I watch, as the heat of the sun in summer evaporates the water.Other times clouds continue to grow and form into rain clouds, as water off the ocean is picked up on winds coming inward onto the land.It's all really quite elementary and easy to observe.What is your explanation for where clouds come from?� and why do they dissipate?I am interested.� I find this discussion quite interesting. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />asalaam and blessings,Caringheart


The water vapour does not form into clouds as we have been taught at school. The vapourised water simply disappears into the atmosphere.

The clouds are produced by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and there are angels assigned for this particular task.

Nobody has yet answered my question in which how water that completely disappears are brought back into the earth. Like I've stated before the water in your cupped hand disappears, gone forever.
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First it was the moon disappearing, now it's water disappearing.  Most of us have figured out the concept of object permanence by the time we're two years old. Ermm

Just because you can't see it, that doesn't mean it's not there.  Surely a staunch believer in God ought to understand this.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:


The water vapour does not form into clouds as we have been taught at school. The vapourised water simply disappears into the atmosphere.

The clouds are produced by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and there are angels assigned for this particular task.

Nobody has yet answered my question in which how water that completely disappears are brought back into the earth. Like I've stated before the water in your cupped hand disappears, gone forever.

Greetings Abu Loren,

You honestly deny that water can be felt in the air (humidity), even when not seen?
How do you explain fog?
Why do clouds disappear?

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 24 August 2015 at 12:45pm
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Greetings Abu Loren,You honestly deny that water can be felt in the air (humidity), even when not seen?How do you explain fog?Why do clouds disappear?asalaam and blessings,Caringheart


All I'm saying is that the water vapour that you describe do not form into clouds but rather they vanish into thin air.

Clouds and rain are created by angels appointed for this particular task. Over the years the amount of water that has been lost into the atmosphere can only ever be replenished by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala maintaining the 'balance'.
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First it was the moon disappearing, now it's water disappearing.� Most of us have figured out the concept of object permanence by the time we're two years old. [IMG]smileys/smiley24.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" />Just because you can't see it, that doesn't mean it's not there.� Surely a staunch believer in God ought to understand this.



Did you do the experiment that I asked you to do?
The water disappears completely and do not linger in the air as vapour. This is particularly evident in the deserts of this world.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:


Did you do the experiment that I asked you to do?
The water disappears completely and do not linger in the air as vapour. This is particularly evident in the deserts of this world.

Greetings Abu Loren,

Here you bring up an interesting point... Why don't clouds form over the desert?  I have a meteorologist friend that I am going to ask.  Smile

I am submitting to them the following:
Hi A,  I am having a theological discussion with somebody that says the following:
"All I'm saying is that the water vapour that you describe do not form into clouds but rather they vanish into thin air.
Clouds and rain are created by angels appointed for this particular task. Over the years the amount of water that has been lost into the atmosphere can only ever be replenished by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala maintaining the 'balance'. "

They make one good point that I have to ask about, and thought you might help... Why don't clouds form over the desert?  The sun takes up water like everywhere else, but other places the vapor forms into clouds and eventually falls back to earth, the way that I have been taught.  (never did really understand how that works)  But why does this not happen over the deserts?  Is it that the air, even in the upper atmosphere, is just too hot?  But then, where do the water molecules go to?  Do they become gas and dissipate into air... becoming merely hydrogen and oxygen?  I'm trying to understand what makes the hydrogen and oxygen cling together, or what makes it come apart?  I never did understand how two gases make water (and rain).
Or is it that there just is not enough water in the desert regions to take up and make a cloud?

asalaam and blessings,
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Edited by Caringheart - 25 August 2015 at 11:34am
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



Greetings Abu Loren,Here you bring up an interesting point... Why don't clouds form over the desert?� I have a meteorologist friend that I am going to ask.� [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />I am submitting to them the following:
Hi A,� I am having a theological discussion with somebody that says the following:
"All I'm saying is that the water vapour that you describe do not form into clouds but rather they vanish into thin air.
Clouds and rain are created by angels appointed for this particular task. Over the years the amount of water that has been lost into the atmosphere can only ever be replenished by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala maintaining the 'balance'.


You can ask your meteorologist friend but I'm afraid they will come up with the drivel that they've been taught at school, just like you :)

Many scientific facts are just simple logic that a child could understand, however, we have been brainwashed into thinking that people like Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc etc etc are right and anything and everything else is wrong. We have to throw out all the science books and teach our kinds the TRUTH from now on.

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



They make one good point that I have to ask about, and thought you might help... Why don't clouds form over the desert?� The sun takes up water like everywhere else, but other places the vapor forms into clouds and eventually falls back to earth, the way that I have been taught.� (never did really understand how that works)� But why does this not happen over the deserts?� Is it that the air, even in the upper atmosphere, is just too hot?� But then, where do the water molecules go to?� Do they become gas and dissipate into air... becoming merely hydrogen and oxygen?� I'm trying to understand what makes the hydrogen and oxygen cling together, or what makes it come apart?� I never did understand how two gases make water (and rain).Or is it that there just is not enough water in the desert regions to take up and make a cloud?asalaam and blessings,Caringheart


I believe that once water becomes water then it cannot become clouds because the water molecules are heavier than the clouds. Thus the clouds can release its water molecules as rain but water vapour and moisture cannot form back into clouds. I believe the chemical formula for clouds is H1 O. Lol.

Yes because the desert areas are too hot
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Here you bring up an interesting point... Why don't clouds form over the desert?

I can explain that.  Clouds don't (usually) form over a desert because there isn't much water and it's too hot.  Any water that evaporates is carried by wind to other regions, where it cools, forms clouds and eventually condenses and falls as rain.

But water remains molecular water, H2O, the whole time, whether as a gas, liquid or solid (ice).  Nothing to do with breaking the water molecule into its elements hydrogen and oxygen.  Evaporation and condensation are physical changes, not chemical changes.

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