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Servetus 
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Hi Honeto, Maybe, just maybe, it�s like this: when violence and bloodlust agrees with our religious preconceptions, we tend to applaud, justify and rationalize it, but when it doesn�t, and especially when it is practiced by the �other,� whether the other is in this case a Muslim or the entire Kshatriya (warrior) caste, we tend decry it as Satanic. My recommendation to Muslims, who at times seem unapologetically martial in their approach, is that they not, repeat not, read Exodus, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, both books of Samuel, both books of Kings and some of the Psalms without first taking a mild sedative or at least straining them through a pacifistic, Christian filter (exegesis). Of course, one should take that recommendation for what it is worth. Best regards, Serv |
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 10:24am |
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Yes, the Old Testament, the New Testament, and (allegedly) the Quran are all talking about the same God. The difference is that since Christ died for our sins, the violence and retribution that we read about throughout the Old Testament and the Quran is no longer necessary or appropriate, and no longer taught by Jesus or anywhere in the New Testament.
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 4:53pm |
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"Yes, the Old Testament, the New Testament, and (allegedly) the Quran are all talking about the same God. The difference is that since Christ died for our sins, the violence and retribution that we read about throughout the Old Testament and the Quran is no longer necessary or appropriate, and no longer taught by Jesus or anywhere in the New Testament. [/QUOTE]
But Jesus said, I come not to change the Law but to fulfill it. Since none of the NT is written by Jesus...
And since apparently God no longer wanted men to have to pay for their own sins, why not just tell mankind this. Why did there have to be a human sacrifice?
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 4:58pm |
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In fact, where does it state in the Old Testament that God would come to earth in human form and be sacrificed to atone for mankind's sins?
What about all those poor people in the Old Testament who were smited for their sins? Does that seem fair or just? Based on when you happened to be born you are smited, or you are forgiven? Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 13 April 2008 at 4:58pm |
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 5:12pm |
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So if Jesus always was, then why wait so long to come to earth and abate God's wrath?
If the plan always was for Jesus to come to earth, why kill so many people first? Did Jesus, God , and the Holy Spirit agree to killing all of the inhabitants of Ai? Because it seems so against all that Jesus stands for, peace, forgiveness, turning the other cheek. I'm baffled by this aspect of the whole story. For the first part of Biblical history God is vengeful and exacting, and quite clear in His message to people. Then in the second part, He's completely different and a little vague.
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 8:08pm |
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Actually, what he said was: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17) He certainly did change the law.
Ahh, well that's always puzzled me too.
 Maybe you should post that question on a Christian forum. |
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 8:18pm |
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Plenty of places, apparently. I've never bothered to look into it, though. Again, maybe ask a Christian if you're curious.
Hey, wait a minute! I never meant to suggest that the Christian God never "smited" people for their sins. What I meant was that there's no need for people to smite each other. We leave the smiting to God. "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19) Edited by Ron Webb - 13 April 2008 at 8:22pm |
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Posted: 14 April 2008 at 5:20am |
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"Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19)
That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say....
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