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rami 
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 Posted: 17 June 2005 at 10:37pm |
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum
for anyone interested... Islam
and Evolution
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Dr Syed Alwi
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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:34pm |
Dear Rami,
Obviously you cannot accept critical thinking. On what grounds was my post censored ? More reason to kick Political Islam out of ASEAN ! As for Nuh Ha Mim Keller - transitional forms have been found in abundance. His piece only shows how little he understands of Evolution. Evolution is NOT chance. if you need a bunch of books to read up on Evolution, then ask me.
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rami
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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:45pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
1. We manage here an Islamic
discussion board, thus all members are requested to maitain the
deorum as per the standards of an Islamic cultural society. Any joke, or casual statement which the moderators find insensitive, may result in edition or deletion.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Dr Syed Alwi
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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:51pm |
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My comments were neither slanderous, rude etc. It was in the form of questions. Let people decide whether it was fair to have censored my questions. What's so sensitive about asking probing questions on Islamic dogma ? Unless - of course - when you realise that you have NO answers to such questions. There was nothing insensitive nor injuriuos in that posting. You are merely censoring so that people cannot think for themselves. Thats all there is to it.
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rami
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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:58pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
That is your opinion according to your standard of moral conduct. The
further you maintain this atitude i will begin to moderate your posts
which i deem to have broken the guidlines without any benefit of the
doubt given as a track record has been formed with no change in
behaviour.
People are perfectly capable discussing matters without resorting
to your tactics, i sincerely believe you are pretending to be a muslim
since you have not left any aspect of islam which you have not
crtisised in the most extreme way, so then what is left in Islam which
you do believe in.
Denying any aspect of the Quran Is Kufr.
May Allah have mercy on you and guide you to the truth.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Dr Syed Alwi
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:02am |
 rami wrote:
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
That is your opinion according to your standard of moral conduct. The further you maintain this atitude i will begin to moderate your posts which i deem to have broken the guidlines without any benefit of the doubt given as a track record has been formed with no change in behaviour.
People are perfectly capable discussing matters without resorting to your tactics, i sincerely believe you are pretending to be a muslim since you have not left any aspect of islam which you have not crtisised in the most extreme way, so then what is left in Islam which you do believe in.
Denying any aspect of the Quran Is Kufr.
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Denying Quran is Kufr. So what happens when there is a conflict between what is preached and what is found in reality ? Are those who question dogma automatically kufr ? ASEAN does NOT need your brand of Political Islam.
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rami
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:06am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Denying the Quran is Kufr this is Basic islamic Aqeedah. The source of
the conflict is investigated, you have placed your faith in science
being infalible. Many times have Scientific Facts been found to be
wrong.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Dr Syed Alwi
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 2:43am |
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But Science allows for questioning and accepts evidence. Science does not claim infallibility. Religion does. Science is based on evidence and we change our theories according to evidence. In Science - we are encouraged to QUESTION and to search for EVIDENCE. But certainly that is NOT so in religion where you must believe without ever questioning and requesting for proof. Thats the difference between Science and Religion.
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