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Originally posted by jusaskin jusaskin wrote:

Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

we may claim or proclaim this or that as "our" purpose in this life . but do we truly know?
 will the happenings in our lives make us who we are ,defining us? or do we mold the happenings in our lives to define ourselves?   
 
I would be interested in hearing your answer to each of the proposed questions individually.
 
 
peace to you and your house my friend .
      i truly wish i new. but i can only speculate.
 
1) i may proclaim it's my purpose to become rich so that i may help others. but you and i both know that you don't need money to help and make a differnce in someones life. so is becoming rich my purpose or helping othes?
 
 2-a)a person being persecuted and beaten down by the world. left without a glimmer of hope offten times will become bitter and hard to god and his own brothers .thus he has let the happenings in his life mold and difine him.
 
2-b)yet there are others who will use these same happenings and find  hope, peace and joy in the fact that they are made whole because of it though god.  thus molding the happenings in his life to difine himself.
 
i hope i did ok.
love leland
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by Nazarene - 24 November 2008 at 7:07pm
love for all conquers all
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    You said: Can someone tell me if the Quran clearly, and I would emphasize the word "clearly", explains why Allah created mankind?

    I cannot refer an exact verse from the Qur'an but since I read Qur'an I can tell what I understand as a muslim "clearly".

    In many verses I read in Qur'an, Allah explains to us what is the right path for human beings for mankind. So we are expected to be on the right path. In other words, mankind's purpose should be related with something right. What is that right, what must be that right ?

    That right is and must be "submission". And, this is clearly mentioned in Qur'an. This is the mankind's purpose.

     If you ask why Allah created mankind, I think I can simply answer this question by question ? Why do we grow flowers? Do we really need flowers ? Why do we have a pet ? Do we really need a pet ? Why do we buy beautiful cars and beautiful houses but not just a car and a house ?

    Most probably we will answer these question as follow : If I can If I can afford or If I can have this ability then why not ?

    You asked Why Allah created mankind ?

    My answer: Why not. That's true that He does not need us but the reason is that He can create us..

    Salam,

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very beautifuly said Apel,
as a believer one have more answers than questions, more giving than taking, more thanking than be thanked, more fulfilling than expecting, more output than input.
As a believer this is the true understanding and purpose of my being here, given a chance and guidance by Him, to impress my maker with what He has given me.
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Edited by honeto - 29 November 2008 at 6:43pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

very beautifuly said Apel,
as a believer one have more answers than questions, more giving than taking, more thanking than be thanked, more fulfilling than expecting, more output than input.
As a believer this is the true understanding and purpose of my being here, given a chance and guidance by Him, to impress my maker with what He has given me.
Hasan
 
Thank you.. and what you said as a believer indeed explains well why we are here as believers, what we must need to do as a believer.
 
"true understanding", " given a chance and guidance".. these are all true for me too. When you believe in mind and heart together i call this faith, it is so simple to realise the facts. But faith can fluctuate sometimes..sometimes something can happen and you can forget all or you miss one of them. Then you can be helpless and you can be loser so you can lose your true vision in other words simply you can deviate from your path. I think this is a possibility for each believer for each human being. We are all here for an examination for a test too. For each of us there might be difficult questions in this test.
 
Sorry, I was just thinking loudly :) actually I really wonder espeacially sometimes what I shall do in order not to get a Fail in this exam.. which one do you think? to look over the wrongs or to think about for the rights ?
 
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Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

i hope i did ok. 
 
Leland .... no such thing as right/wrong, OK/not OK ..... I was just interested in what you would say to your own questions. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Originally posted by apel apel wrote:

   You asked Why Allah created mankind ?  My answer: Why not.
 
I appreciate your reply, but "why not?" isn't exactly what I was hoping for ..... unless that's what Allah says in the Quran. I'm asking what your holy book tells you plainly about why mankind was created. Of course, since we are here we are to obey, but why did God produce His creation and put us on planet earth in the first place? If He doesn't tell us, that's fine! I just wondered if He told us in the Quran and I missed it.
 
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

51:56 And [tell them that] I have not created the invisible beings  and men to any end other than that they may [know and] worship Me. 
 
I have been going over this verse in several English translations and see that the terms "worship" and "serve" are alternately used by the various translators. In your reference, "know me" has been included in addition to "worship".
 
Being very interested in this verse, I'm wondering if you can explain a few things? I assume that the brackets around "know me" indicate an addition to the original for clarification purposes. The Noble Quran seems to be full of these kinds of additions. Since "serve" and "worship", although related, are not exactly the same ..... is there some particular difficulty finding the right English term/terms for the Arabic words in the original message? Are you familiar enough with the original Arabic language to explain, even if it requires a paragraph, what that original word means in English? If not, please do not speculate. In that case perhaps you can recommend a way for me to pursue this (short of learning Arabic myself Smile).
 
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Hi Apel,
thnaks for your reply and kind words. I look upto the direct guidance sent by God for our times, the Quran.
One of my primary understanding from the Quran is that its the Almighty that knows and decides who pass, who fails, and who excedes. I , for myself has not the capacity to choose where I end up, of course we all would like and hope and sometimes assume based on our own generated assumptions that we have already achieved the salvation, something only God can decide.
I also believe that it is only through God's Mercy and Forgiveness through which one can hope to achieve salvation.  It is God's love for us that He bestowed upon humanity by giving us a chance and by providing us the guidance.
As long as we don't intend or/and surrender to satan, who constantly brings suggestions to our inner person thus not committing wilfull transgressions against what God has commanded us, and not fall short in our EFFORT to obey Him by fulfilling our obligations to the best effort, God has promised us forgiveness and a great reward in the herafter.
One thing I think is important enough to add here is that God, thorugh Quran and through previous scriptures has told mankind, that He is forgiving and may forgive any sin but will not forgive the gravest sin of all, the worship directed to anyone other than Him, who is One and Only to be woreshipped.
 
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 01 December 2008 at 1:57pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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