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go for it kath     ---i must check out that website youre talking about
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how you know kath fredi?
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akmf- what on earth makes you think i know this person?  and why are you implying i do?  kindly explain yourself
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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

go for it kath� �� ---i must check out that website youre talking about


you reffered to her as "kath" this implies that you know her, know her enough to call her �kath�.
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this is silly - i also call ahmadjoyia "ahmad" - do i know him too?
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Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

go for it kath     ---i must check out that website youre talking about


you reffered to her as "kath" this implies that you know her, know her enough to call her �kath�.


Calm down, ak_m_f, I don't know fredi.  I have to assume that he or she tried to nickname me by calling me "kath."  People do that you know.  I, for instance, might call you AK.  I assure you that no one has ever called me Kath.  Calling me Kath does not imply that he or she knows me. I insist on Katherine.

Now which point in the Doctor's article would you like me to address?  Please choose one.  "The prophet like Moses," perhaps?  I have printed out your post and will go over it tonight and work up a response to the Prophet like Moses as soon as I am able, unless I hear from you that you would like to discuss a different prophecy.

Tomorrow I have a business appointment that will require my time for the day, so as soon as I receive the prophecy you want to discuss, I will work on it and get it to you as soon as I am able.

You do want to discuss the article, don't you?

Thank you so very much.

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ok then, let me get the ball rolling on this.  badawi states in your quotation - "some contend that 'jesse' is a reference to davids father.  according to encyclopedia biblica, however, we read: 'jesse is contracted from ishmael'" ---------------this however is a complete lie --------i have pasted below the relevant entry for "jesse" in the encyclopedia biblica, which is only partially successful, due to the problem of hebrew characters, so youll have to look up the encyclopedia yourself if you dont believe my interpretation of it

JESSE (+d+5. ,5 2 ; contracted from hKk.�?[ see

NAMES, 521; or from W3K, ABISHAI? cp Icabod

from Ahi-cabod [so Marquart, Fundamente, 24 ; see

also Ex?. T 10 526a (�gg)] ; for anotber view see

JEZEBEL ; in many MSS of I Ch. 213 �V�e ; IECCAI

[BAQL], LEUUL [K]), son of Obed and father of David

(see DAVID, 5 I).

first of all "hKk."" represents "ishmael" in hebrew characters.  note the question mark after the name.  in other words, they dont know if jesse is contracted from ishmael.  they are only suggesting it as a possibility.  then look at the second line.  it says "or from W3K, abishai?" - W3K represents abishai in hebrew characters, the english transliteration is given, then we have another question mark.  here they are suggesting another possibility, that jesse is a contraction of abishai.  and yet badawi makes out that that the thing is definite, even going so far to imply that the jesse in question is not the father of david, but is in fact ishmael

and yet even if he was correct, even if it was a reference to ishmael, this would have nothing to do with muhammad, as muhammad was not ishmaels descendant.  ishmael went with his mother to live in the wilderness of paran, see genesis 21: 21, which is in the sinai peninsula, nowhere near mecca.  this can be easily ascertained by referring to numbers 10: 12, 12: 16, 13: 3, 26 and deuteronomy 1: 1, which refer to the wanderings of the children of israel on their way from egypt to the land



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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

ok then, let me get the ball rolling on this.  badawi states in your quotation - "some contend that 'jesse' is a reference to davids father.  according to encyclopedia biblica, however, we read: 'jesse is contracted from ishmael'" ---------------this however is a complete lie --------i have pasted below the relevant entry for "jesse" in the encyclopedia biblica, which is only partially successful, due to the problem of hebrew characters, so youll have to look up the encyclopedia yourself if you dont believe my interpretation of it

JESSE (+d+5. ,5 2 ; contracted from hKk.�?[ see

NAMES, 521; or from W3K, ABISHAI? cp Icabod

from Ahi-cabod [so Marquart, Fundamente, 24 ; see

also Ex?. T 10 526a (�gg)] ; for anotber view see

JEZEBEL ; in many MSS of I Ch. 213 �V�e ; IECCAI

[BAQL], LEUUL [K]), son of Obed and father of David

(see DAVID, 5 I).

first of all "hKk."" represents "ishmael" in hebrew characters.  note the question mark after the name.  in other words, they dont know if jesse is contracted from ishmael.  they are only suggesting it as a possibility.  then look at the second line.  it says "or from W3K, abishai?" - W3K represents abishai in hebrew characters, the english transliteration is given, then we have another question mark.  here they are suggesting another possibility, that jesse is a contraction of abishai.  and yet badawi makes out that that the thing is definite, even going so far to imply that the jesse in question is not the father of david, but is in fact ishmael

and yet even if he was correct, even if it was a reference to ishmael, this would have nothing to do with muhammad, as muhammad was not ishmaels descendant.  ishmael went with his mother to live in the wilderness of paran, see genesis 21: 21, which is in the sinai peninsula, nowhere near mecca.  this can be easily ascertained by referring to numbers 10: 12, 12: 16, 13: 3, 26 and deuteronomy 1: 1, which refer to the wanderings of the children of israel on their way from egypt to the land



Fred,

This is what I have on the wilderness of paran:

Paran is the area where Israel camped after leaving Sinai on their way to Canaan (Num.10:12; 12:16); the spies were sent into Canaan from there (Num.13:3,26); David went there after the death of Samuel (I Sam.25:1); and when Hadad the Edomite revolted against Solomon, he stopped there on his way to Egypt (I Kings 11:18).  All of these clearly show that Paran could not be as far south as Mecca.

PARAN. A wilderness situated in the eastern central region of the Sinai peninsula, north-east from the traditional Sinai and south-south-east of Kadesh, with the Arabah and the Gulf of Aqabah as its eastern border. It was to this wilderness that Hagar and Ishmael went after their expulsion from Abraham's household (Genesis 21:21). It was crossed by the Israelites following their exodus from Egypt (Numbers 10:12; 12:16), and from here Moses dispatched men to spy out the land of Canaan (Numbers 13:3, 26). The wilderness was also traversed by Hadad the Edomite on his flight to Egypt (1 Kings 11:18).

El-paran, mentioned in Genesis 14:6 as on the border of the wilderness, may have been an ancient name for Elath. Mount Paran of the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 33:2) and of Habakkuk 3:3 was possibly a prominent peak in the mountain range on the western shore of the Gulf of Aqabah.

An ancient map may help:

http://www.bible.ca/maps/maps-the-exodus.htm

This is where Hagar and Ismael went after Abraham sent them away.
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