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Originally posted by Patty Patty wrote:

Dear Israfil, you posted this:

"So I take it that when you're in a Cathedral you do not pray to the various statutes in them?"

That's right.  We do NOT pray to the statues in the Cathedral or Church.  We are reminded of that holy person, and we respect the person, that's it.

God's Peace.

I agree with patty and Angela.

 

About the looks of Jesus, patty can you tell me why then that any pictures of jesus, is caucasian, white skin person, I have not seen any pictures of jesus looking middle eastern. Even status that are made are normally with blonde hair & long and is caucasian.

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Angel asked the following:

"About the looks of Jesus, patty can you tell me why then that any pictures of jesus, is caucasian, white skin person, I have not seen any pictures of jesus looking middle eastern. Even status that are made are normally with blonde hair & long and is caucasian."

There are many, many pictures of Jesus portrayed as a man of Middle Eastern descent.  I have never seen a blond haired Jesus.  People from the Middle East have different degrees of color to their skin, just as do Europeans or Americans.  Some are light, and some are dark.  I don't know with 100% certainty what Jesus really looked like, but I have done some research and have a fairly reasonable idea.  Here are two which just happen to be my favorites, for no particular reason, other than I believe these are fairly representative of a Jewish male of the time of Jesus:

                      


It really doesn't matter all that much what He looks like anyway, does it?  He taught us the way to peace, love, and compassion.  He was Jesus Christ. 

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Thanks patty, I perfer the pic on the right, that one has a more friendly face
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Angel said:

"Thanks patty, I perfer the pic on the right, that one has a more friendly face "

Yeah....me too!

Peace to you Angel!
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

can you tell me why then that any pictures of jesus, is caucasian, white skin person...


Look at any of the renaissance paintings and you will see Jesus and other biblical figures depicted as contemporaries.  I see this as positive, depicting a specifically non-idolatrous image.

Nowdays an artist would be criticized if he depicted Jesus as a 21st century person.  We know Jesus did not have long hair, or Paul would not have told us long hair was unfitting for men.  We know Jesus was a Palestinian not a Philadelphian so he looked like a Palestinian not a hippie.

I think it points out a bad trend in Christianity - a flawed retrospective outlook and an attempt to "preserve" Christianity in some idealized past state instead of engaging present existence head on.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Nowdays an artist would be criticized if he depicted Jesus as a 21st century person. 

but, but he wasn't  I don't think he has a century, I mean wasn't his birth year 0  
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Patty Wrote:It really doesn't matter all that much what He looks like anyway, does it? 
 
Yes, it does matter.Yes, he is Jesus Christ. We know who Jesus pbuh is and what GOD almighty allowed for him to do that is not the issue here. Please lets try to stay on the issue of idols. From this point it is easy to get off track so I will try to comment on Idols first and then what you said regarding Jesus phuh (Peace be upon him) Because Jesus phuh deserves respect.
 
What I am trying to explain but I feel I am not do such a good job at trying is ...there are many pictures to choose. You even sent 2 of them that you like. Others take their pick of what picture is liked; and you listed why you liked these 2 pictures;mine used to be the sacred heart. He had blue eyes in that one. As a matter of fact it still hangs in my Mom's home in the hall way.
 
When you are praying at your home, at church, in the woods you still have an image in your head of what you think based on your favorite photo of Jesus pbuh is for the reasons you listed;is this right?
 
However, This is still Idolatry. Why do I say this?  Because you do not know what he looks like; You do not;and ALL idolatry; which leads to false faith.
Jesus Christ did teach us way to peace, love, and compassion. You are right. We know this. I know this, no question. But, make no mistake GOD..... ALLAH (AL) means THE and (LAH) means GOD who created Jesus pbuh and the ways that Jesus Christ taught.... that peace and love and compassion came from ALLAH the almighty alone who gave these wonderful abilities to Jesus pbuh. Because GOD created all.He is the one GOD the only GOD the true GOD and him and him alone is our way and we do not have a picture of him; to believe in him alone with no partners.Blind faith; when I say blind I mean no pictures what so ever no status to "honor" him by or "respect" or "remind" or "admire". Blind faith. Creator of the heaven and the earth who has no equals no partners. No pictures.
Thru ALLAH swt alone is peace.
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Dear Suzanne,

Those are your precious beliefs, and I truly respect your right to them.  My beliefs are just as precious, correct, and wonderful to me.  We will just have to agree to disagree.  I pray to God and Jesus with a sincere heart.  I ask for mercy and forgiveness.  In my humble, inadequate way, I strive to do His will in my life.  Yes, I have many paintings which show my deep respect and love for Jesus.  I do not worship the pictures at all.  I appreciate the beauty I see in them.  Big, big difference.  My husband is an artist and has "written" as it is called beautiful Byzantine Icons.  Done with gold leaf, as that is his specialty. 

So I wish you all the best in your faith, I sincerely mean that!  I wish you find all that is good and beautiful in this life, and Allah/God grants you many blessings....and your family!

Peace be with you.....
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