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Alaikoam Salam

It is true Allah , God , the Creator may guide us however this guidance only comes through other people or seeing information on a particular Path.

Technically Islam is for everyone as everyone submits in degrees to Allah, God, the Creator making us all technical Muslims first and then we still have the freedom to choose our path even though technically we could be consider Muslims first.

From what I have seen I agree with Angel that one religion other than the base root of us all which is submission in degrees there is no one religion that suits everyone.

What I think is great is the spiritual search to find one that does want us to follow.

That is why I am a technical Muslim and Christian second.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 August 2006 at 9:17am

Muhammad said:

"whom Allah guides to the straight path none can lead him astray, and whom Allah leads astray none can guide him to the straight path !"

Well.  I had never heard this before.  This would be a basic reason I could never follow Islam.  Allah/God "decides" who he will guide to the straight path and that person will not be lead astray.....BUT, Allah also decides who he (Allah) will lead astray????

Sorry, it's just not for me.  With all due respect, I could never accept the religion of a God who would decide "who He would lead astray, and they would never have a chance for salvation."  Is that really what you're saying, and what you believe??

Peace to you always!

 

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You cannot be a Muslim AND a Christian.

To be Muslim, you must believe in ONE God, Muhammed is the Last Prophet and Jesus is a Prophet and not the Son of God as laid down in the Quran.

To be Christian you must believe that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

Everyone is born in perfect submission to God's will and plan.  We grow and our perceptions of the world are changed with education, example and environment.  We eventually are brought to a time where we must choose our path and what believe best suits us. 

Religions are not buffets, you can't have a little of everything and be considered part of them all.  You must eventually choose.

My Church believes that members of all faiths will be found in heaven and we are responsible for our deeds.  Only those who have accepted the truth will make it to the highest levels.

But, sitting on the fence gets you no where.

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Originally posted by Patty Patty wrote:

Muhammad said:

"whom Allah guides to the straight path none can lead him astray, and whom Allah leads astray none can guide him to the straight path !"

Well.  I had never heard this before.  This would be a basic reason I could never follow Islam.  Allah/God "decides" who he will guide to the straight path and that person will not be lead astray.....BUT, Allah also decides who he (Allah) will lead astray????

Sorry, it's just not for me.  With all due respect, I could never accept the religion of a God who would decide "who He would lead astray, and they would never have a chance for salvation."  Is that really what you're saying, and what you believe??

Peace to you always!

 

Yes, this is true.

whom Allah guides to the straight path none can lead him astray, and whom Allah leads astray none can guide him to the straight path.

May be you can see my explanation of my opinion of these words in the previous page which I gave to Angel. Only Allah knows best what these words mean. We ourselves cannot explain or assume the meaning of these words. But these words are true.

 

It is my opinion that MAY BE this is the reason that there are believers and disbelievers in this world.

 



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Patty & Mohammad,

Some comments for knowledge:

Let me first quote in Arabic: "Yo-dil-lo bay-he kasee-raun wa yaahdee bayhe kaseera."

The word to word translation in English would be:

"Allah leads many astray and guides many."

But that is not what Allah means in the Arabic of Qur'aan. Allah does not want people to go astray and would not guide or lead them to go away. Why would Allah do that?

What it really means is that anyone or many who are in search of Allah, will be guided and led to Allah. They will be guided to the Path of Allah. They will ultimately find God/Allah.

However, those who have already been straying away, who are not interested in knowing and finding Allah, their hearts and mind full of doubts/disbelief and who are not at all prepared to come towards God, they will not be forced but they will be left to wander on their own.

The verse does not mean that Allahs misguides some and guides some.

An example: Pharoah was left alone. We cannot say that the Pharoah was misguided and led astray by God, to his perdition. That is wrong. Allah showed him signs upon signs through Moses. Still he did not believe. Allah tried but Allah did not lead him astray!!!

One of Pharoah's closest aides saw all the miracles and believed in the God of Moses. God led him, showed him the way and he became a believer.

Hope this helped.

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Angel,

"oh well, what can I say  "

I just said it above.  Hope you enjoyed that.

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Salam Alaikoam

Myself I am learning about many paths so when I finally choose the one I want to follow it will be with an informed decision.

What ever choice you have made may it be the best for you and may Allah, God, The Creator bless you abundantly for it.

Anne Marie

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Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

 

Alaikoam Salam

It is true Allah , God , the Creator may guide us however this guidance only comes through other people or seeing information on a particular Path.

This is shirk. Guidance only comes through Gd, PERIOD.

 

Originally posted by anne anne wrote:

 

Technically Islam is for everyone as everyone submits in degrees to Allah, God, the Creator making us all technical Muslims first and then we still have the freedom to choose our path even though technically we could be consider Muslims first.

This is pure innovation that has no founding in the Quran or Sunnah and you are way out of your bounds. This path of innovation and ignorance is extremely dangerous. I am asking you to hault your continued representation of Islam. It is false and you are completely out of the folds of Islam.

 

Originally posted by anne anne wrote:

 

From what I have seen I agree with Angel that one religion other than the base root of us all which is submission in degrees there is no one religion that suits everyone.

 

What I think is great is the spiritual search to find one that does want us to follow.

That is why I am a technical Muslim and Christian second.

Interesting

 

 

 

This is kufr.

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