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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote senekerk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 6:38am
Is most of the Old Testment refering to Allah  whenit is talking about God?  Explain to me the other questions that was posed to John
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 6:59am

Im sorry i dont understand your question. What do you mean?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 7:14am

The word Allah simply means God in arabic. We believe it is Gods name. Notice the word God is a male, if you add an ess it would be female. The word Allah is neither male nor female. If you add an s to the word God it becomes Gods. The word Allah cant have an s added to it. So it is perfect and describes God perfectly.

About the OT, we dont believe that it is the word of God, we believe that it was written by man and claimed to be the word of God. We believe in the OT which was revealed to Moses, but most of it is fabricated today. Proof is the OT's many contradictions and discusting sex stories, which would never be Gods words. Even the NT isnt the word of God because it also has been tampered with according to Christian scholars themselves and it also has many contradictions and scientific errors. The NT was an inspirational revelation. Meaning written by man according to Christians themselves but they claimed that God inspired it. This is impossible.

Why? As I said because the many contradictions and mistakes, also, they both, the OT and NT say stuff which are disrespectful to God. For ex:

Isaiah 7:20 (New King James Version)

20 In the same day the Lord will shave with a hired razor,
With those from beyond the River with the king of Assyria,
The head and the hair of the legs,
And will also remove the beard.

Can you imagine!?! God shaving for them?! This is not fitting in Gods magesty far exhalted is he.

Another simple proof that the Bible wasnt inspired by God is that its weird how God inspired those who wrote the Bible down, yet, plagiarism is found in Isaiah 37 & 2 Kings 19 and is exposed, where we find extracts attributed to authors living 1000 of years apart to be identical to the letter. The obvious indictment would be on God that he had absentmindedly dictated the same tale twice. Does God forget? No. This is plaigarism.

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote senekerk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 7:27am

I wish to know that myself. I have debated with many Christians, all ignore your question and only see two questions being posed to John.

 

What questions was posed to John who you refer to  in the above quote.  I appreciated your time to answer my questions.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 7:39am

My pleasure :)

19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

(John1:19-25)

Three questions were asked. Art thou the Christ? Elias? The Prophet?

And he said no to all of them.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andalus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 11:46am

Originally posted by senekerk senekerk wrote:

I find a lot of stories in Qu'ran that are also in the Old Testament.  Since the Old Testament was written prior to Jesus and Mohammud how would one know if these stories were revealed to Mohammud or if he repeated what was known as the Old Testament???

Thats a good question.

1) The Israelites have left Egypt and are in their 10 years of wandering. Someone studies what Moses has presented.

2) Moses presents stories that are found in the traditions passed down from the time of Noah.

How would someone know if Moses was simply repeating what he had already heard, or if the stories were actually revealed to him?

(I want to see where this concept will lead when placed in another context that share the same attributes)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote senekerk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 11:57am

What I was taught was that most of the the OT stories were passed down orally, that is until someone put them on paper. 

The same applies to Mohammed (pbuh) yes????

 so how do we know if Mohammed was repeating what he had already heard, or if the stories were actually revealed to him???

I'm not being argumentative only trying to understand.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2006 at 3:12pm
What do you mean that the same applies to Mohammed? That the Quran was passed down oraly? It was a verbal revelation, the angel Gabriel would read to him and Mohammed would read the exact same thing and have it written down. Is this what you meant?
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